TuneR Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Looks great man, im sure it will all work out and you'll be boosting in no time. Looking forward to the updates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattP Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Videos when its finished J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 So, I picked the car up yesterday. I have to give credit to Darren and the guys at Whifbitz in Enfield, they've done a great job of fitting it all, and it really looks fantastic in the flesh. Unfortunately, it doesn't drive very well, because Syvecs haven't finished sorting the gearbox software out yet. Romain has been doing a lot of work on it, but they're waiting to get hold of a stock car to test all the stock gearbox outputs. It appears that the initial Syvecs Tiptronic R&D work was, to put it politely, 'insufficient' (there's a NSW version too ) . That's no reflection on Romain, and certainly not on Whifbitz, who to be fair have really gone above and beyond to get this issue sorted. I was reluctant to pick the car up before this was all done, but it's got to a point where it's holding up other jobs, and I couldn't put it off any longer. But Paul (at Whifbitz) and Romain are going to get it sorted, and then we can download the new gearbox map by remote when it's done. I can then give them feedback and the map can be tweeked accordingly. On the plus side, it sounds amazing. The billet wheel Garret GTX turbo has a very distinctive whistle to it, and because it's currently not running a bov, the compressor stall sounds brutal. Much louder than on my old GT35R single. The HKS Superdragger also sounds great on the car. Unfortunately I really don't know how responsive the setup is yet, due to the unpredictable nature of the gearbox at the moment, but it certainly feels lively. Hopefully I'll know more next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATT RR Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Saw this last night, looks fantastic under the bonnet.................and sounded awesome when you left, that compressor stall is a head turner if ever I've heard one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripped_fear Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Sorry to hear of your troubles but if nothing else it looks epic. Problems with taking new and Un tested routes I guess, but I'm sure once you have it all ironed out it will be incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Looks great! I hope you get your gearbox issue sorted asap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 Sorry to hear of your troubles but if nothing else it looks epic. Problems with taking new and Un tested routes I guess, but I'm sure once you have it all ironed out it will be incredible. Thing is, I didn't know it was an untested route when I started. Syvecs advertise the fact that they had already done one, but from what I gather that car drives like mine, and the owner has been okay with it I'm confident they will get it sorted, and I'm sure syvecs will be much more careful in future about claiming "plug and play compatibility" before thoroughly testing their product. If nothing else, at least other tiptronic owners will benefit from my misfortune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Thing is, I didn't know it was an untested route when I started. Syvecs advertise the fact that they had already done one, but from what I gather that car drives like mine, and the owner has been okay with it I'm confident they will get it sorted, and I'm sure syvecs will be much more careful in future about claiming "plug and play compatibility" before thoroughly testing their product. If nothing else, at least other tiptronic owners will benefit from my misfortune. I have met someone with a single turbo tiptronic and I'm sure it was running a Syvecs. This was a few years back but he said the car had destroyed gearboxes and just accepted he needed to rebuild the gearbox I was thinking it was something to do with the map/setup even back then so makes sense they weren't aware of a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 I have met someone with a single turbo tiptronic and I'm sure it was running a Syvecs. This was a few years back but he said the car had destroyed gearboxes and just accepted he needed to rebuild the gearbox I was thinking it was something to do with the map/setup even back then so makes sense they weren't aware of a problem. Whifbitz built a really nice one a few years ago that used the stock ecu for gearbox control, could have been that one I guess? Was it a white stock body? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackyBoi Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Any videos yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 Do you really want to see a video of my Supra trying to decide which gear to go to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Supes Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Engine bay looks lovely. I cannot wait to declutter mine and go single! Hopefully the guys at Syvecs get the issue resolved in good time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripped_fear Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Thing is, I didn't know it was an untested route when I started. Syvecs advertise the fact that they had already done one, but from what I gather that car drives like mine, and the owner has been okay with it I'm confident they will get it sorted, and I'm sure syvecs will be much more careful in future about claiming "plug and play compatibility" before thoroughly testing their product. If nothing else, at least other tiptronic owners will benefit from my misfortune. That's bad form on their part. And seems strange that both the mapper and owner of the other car aren't fussed. At least you will have a unique car and you have helped some r and d on this setup. It will all be worth it even if it takes that little bit longer. I for one would be wanting some sort of compensation from syvecs if this is where the issue has stemed from. Chin up mate, keep at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Whifbitz built a really nice one a few years ago that used the stock ecu for gearbox control, could have been that one I guess? Was it a white stock body? It had a blitz body kit if I remember right. Could have gone stock since then though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebas Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 How will You describe that new DBW system? Better than standard? I read somewhere that standard toyota one is very basic and not good for single turbo and aftermarket ecu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 That's bad form on their part. And seems strange that both the mapper and owner of the other car aren't fussed. At least you will have a unique car and you have helped some r and d on this setup. It will all be worth it even if it takes that little bit longer. I for one would be wanting some sort of compensation from syvecs if this is where the issue has stemed from. Chin up mate, keep at it. Cheers I can't understand it either, but really that is between the mapper and the owner of that car. But I would be very interested to speak to him about it. I've already received an apology from Syvecs, and so long as they get my gearbox working at least as good as stock, that will do me. Although if they offer me a good will gesture I won't turn it down They also need to get the factory tiptronic dash display working too, as it's just flashing up an error message at the moment, though again, I'm sure this is something they will sort quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pudsey Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Bit of a shocker then really for you. Sorry to hear the situation as you know I have been keenly following progress, and like you thought the way ahead had been developed/ trialed/ resolved. Fingers crossed the team manage to develop the plug and play solution, as im pretty sure there is a good market for it. I will keep my eyes peeled for progress updates in the mean time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 How will You describe that new DBW system? Better than standard? I read somewhere that standard toyota one is very basic and not good for single turbo and aftermarket ecu. It's hard to say at the moment, as I can't use the throttle as I would normally due to the gearbox issue. But it takes a little getting used to. The new pedal doesn't have as much feel as the stock one, which is perhaps why Toyota stuck with a cable type. But it does seem more responsive, idle control is much simpler, the whole setup is simplified, and a replacement throttle is a fraction of the price of a stock vvti one. Definitely a worthwhile upgrade imo. I've also gained cruise control, though think it needs a little tweaking as the speed seems to drop off a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 Bit of a shocker then really for you. Sorry to hear the situation as you know I have been keenly following progress, and like you thought the way ahead had been developed/ trialed/ resolved. Fingers crossed the team manage to develop the plug and play solution, as im pretty sure there is a good market for it. I will keep my eyes peeled for progress updates in the mean time. Cheers mate It's not been a straightforward process for me unfortunately, I did my best to prepare the car for this work, and a few aspects have backfired with expensive results. But thankfully Paul (Whifbitz) was absolutely on the ball when it came to finding solutions to the issues, and really went out of his way to help, heavily discounting stuff and even basically giving me an exhaust (although I did return the favour by giving him my old Ti exhaust at a very good price). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebas Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 It's hard to say at the moment, as I can't use the throttle as I would normally due to the gearbox issue. But it takes a little getting used to. The new pedal doesn't have as much feel as the stock one, which is perhaps why Toyota stuck with a cable type. But it does seem more responsive, idle control is much simpler, the whole setup is simplified, and a replacement throttle is a fraction of the price of a stock vvti one. Definitely a worthwhile upgrade imo. I've also gained cruise control, though think it needs a little tweaking as the speed seems to drop off a bit. Ok.Thank You for answer. I'm at the moment in process of completing all the parts that I will need for my single conversion, and not sure if I should stay with factory dbw throttle or go for Whifbitz or maybe pre facelift gte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Cheers mate It's not been a straightforward process for me unfortunately, I did my best to prepare the car for this work, and a few aspects have backfired with expensive results. But thankfully Paul (Whifbitz) was absolutely on the ball when it came to finding solutions to the issues, and really went out of his way to help, heavily discounting stuff and even basically giving me an exhaust (although I did return the favour by giving him my old Ti exhaust at a very good price). Does that mean that "basically giving" is the same as "giving at a good price", even though nothing was "given" at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 I have met someone with a single turbo tiptronic and I'm sure it was running a Syvecs. This was a few years back but he said the car had destroyed gearboxes and just accepted he needed to rebuild the gearbox I was thinking it was something to do with the map/setup even back then so makes sense they weren't aware of a problem. I am no auto box expert, but as far as I am aware the Tiptronic box is no more able to take excess torque than the "normal" TT auto box. And as I have several auto boxes here that even mild single turbo engines have destroyed under the control of the stock ecu I haver to conclude the auto box is not up to running single turbo torque. I have a customer VVTi Tiptronic car car here that the owner has bought an S6 Plus Syvecs ECU for and umpteen sensor etcetera, but it's sat in the box. Until someone has one running a VVTi twin turbo running the stock sequential turbos, and the FBW and the auto Tiptronic perfectly there it stays as far as I am concerned. Sounds like a LOT of hassle. I *ALWAYS* take the attitude that I want to physically have a drive in , or at least talk in person to a knowledgeable owner of a car that running some fancy set up via a none stock ecu. I remember the AEM auto box control debacle from years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 I am no auto box expert, but as far as I am aware the Tiptronic box is no more able to take excess torque than the "normal" TT auto box. And as I have several auto boxes here that even mild single turbo engines have destroyed under the control of the stock ecu I haver to conclude the auto box is not up to running single turbo torque. I have a customer VVTi Tiptronic car car here that the owner has bought an S6 Plus Syvecs ECU for and umpteen sensor etcetera, but it's sat in the box. Until someone has one running a VVTi twin turbo running the stock sequential turbos, and the FBW and the auto Tiptronic perfectly there it stays as far as I am concerned. Sounds like a LOT of hassle. I *ALWAYS* take the attitude that I want to physically have a drive in , or at least talk in person to a knowledgeable owner of a car that running some fancy set up via a none stock ecu. I remember the AEM auto box control debacle from years ago. Other than the Tiptronic valve-body, it's same as a T.T. auto box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 What breaks in them as a rule David? These dead boxes have no sign of burnt fluid, but have no drive. I was told a sprag clutch usually fails. If I ever get the time I would like to take one apart for curiosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Other than the Tiptronic valve-body, it's same as a T.T. auto box. So someone with a VVTi Tiptronic *COULD* fir a none Tiptronic valve body and gear change lever and simplify stuff, control wise? If they were happy to lose the paddle shift ability? The electronics of the auto box control for an aftermarket ecu would then become a lot more basic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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