JasonR24 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Just seen in the indipendent that lawyers are making a case to reverse the out decision... Watch the riots of this happens. They thought the remain protest was bad. Wait till this happens Also I'm disappointed Farage stepped down. I thought he'd of made a good PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACsupra Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Lets set up the MKIV Supra party to take control:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Just seen in the indipendent that lawyers are making a case to reverse the out decision... Watch the riots of this happens. They don't have a leg to stand on. Article 50 hasn't been triggered yet. There has been no debate. The story isn't news and is just designed to stir up more crap. And it became legally binding the minute David Cameron said of the vote is leave, article 50 will be invoked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Well, that's Farage gone! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468 Just seen in the indipendent that lawyers are making a case to reverse the out decision... Watch the riots of this happens. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36700350 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 They don't have a leg to stand on. Article 50 hasn't been triggered yet. There has been no debate. The story isn't news and is just designed to stir up more crap. And it became legally binding the minute David Cameron said of the vote is leave, article 50 will be invoked. Nobody has taken me up on that bet yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Nobody has taken me up on that bet yet What bet is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Just seen in the indipendent that lawyers are making a case to reverse the out decision... Watch the riots of this happens. They're not trying to reverse the Out decision. The lawyers want to make sure the proposal to trigger Article 50 is debated in parliament. The alternative is that the PM triggers it without having debated it in parliament first. The lawyers' endgame is probably to prevent Brexit, but that's not what is currently being proposed by them, and their plan is hugely unlikely to get past the next stage. IMO, it's a futile attempt. *Even* if it does force a debate in parliament, I don't think the MPs will be voting contrary to their constituents, do you? The constitutional crisis it would trigger would be worse than MPs (the majority of whom backed the In campaign, IIRC) voting against their personally-held beliefs by voting to trigger the Article. For the lawyers (actually, the people who are paying them to pursue this), these things need to happen: 1) They successfully make the case that the PM doesn't have the authority to trigger Art 50 without having a debate first. This *might* happen. 2) A debate takes place 3) Several pro-EU MPs vote against their constituents' wishes. *** Hugely unlikely. *** 4) Art 50 is not triggered.... yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 What bet is that? On my FB, £20 says we aren't leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 On my FB, £20 says we aren't leaving. I'll take that bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemanhead Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 On my FB, £20 says we aren't leaving. i'll take it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I'll take that bet too. Please confirm if it's on, but I understand if you don't want to bet with everyone who says yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I'll take that bet Al was first so the bet is his Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I know the BBC is mistrusted by several on here, but it's the best site I've found that tries to explain in an easy-to-understand way. This is pretty much what I said below: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-36703799 They're not trying to reverse the Out decision. The lawyers want to make sure the proposal to trigger Article 50 is debated in parliament. The alternative is that the PM triggers it without having debated it in parliament first. The lawyers' endgame is probably to prevent Brexit, but that's not what is currently being proposed by them, and their plan is hugely unlikely to get past the next stage. IMO, it's a futile attempt. *Even* if it does force a debate in parliament, I don't think the MPs will be voting contrary to their constituents, do you? The constitutional crisis it would trigger would be worse than MPs (the majority of whom backed the In campaign, IIRC) voting against their personally-held beliefs by voting to trigger the Article. For the lawyers (actually, the people who are paying them to pursue this), these things need to happen: 1) They successfully make the case that the PM doesn't have the authority to trigger Art 50 without having a debate first. This *might* happen. 2) A debate takes place 3) Several pro-EU MPs vote against their constituents' wishes. *** Hugely unlikely. *** 4) Art 50 is not triggered.... yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveC Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 A tribute to Nigel Farage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Al, I've got a very good idea what kind of data this dragnet will grab (senior engineer with an ISP, we took a good look at the draft to work out what we might be required to store). For example looking at a couple months worth of data I can tell with reasonable certainty what your political standpoint is on matters, what gender you are, your sexual orientation (well, taste in porn at least), any 'unusual' interests you might have and any recent medical conditions. And that data is being kept at the lowest possible cost (we're a commercial org afterall) with (I bet) the ability for me to prod about in there with very little in the way of oversight. With a bit of stitching together I now also know everywhere you've been (your phone records tell us) with who (again, they probably have a phone) and why (looking back at any net traffic showing you looking up things at the location, calls made to people or businesses in the area, etc). If you're curious, have a read of this. http://news.stanford.edu/2016/05/16/stanford-computer-scientists-show-telephone-metadata-can-reveal-surprisingly-sensitive-personal-information/ It honestly scares me. I'd rather take the risk on terrorism, it's less dangerous in the long run. Glad to see someone else on here gets it. Notice how whenever it is brought up people seem to ignore it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Still doesn't bother me, and i would like to see every man woman and child micro chipped and a scanner used when using banks, airports, public buildings etcetera. No chip, immediate arrest and questioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Al, I've got a very good idea what kind of data this dragnet will grab (senior engineer with an ISP, we took a good look at the draft to work out what we might be required to store). For example looking at a couple months worth of data I can tell with reasonable certainty what your political standpoint is on matters, what gender you are, your sexual orientation (well, taste in porn at least), any 'unusual' interests you might have and any recent medical conditions. And that data is being kept at the lowest possible cost (we're a commercial org afterall) with (I bet) the ability for me to prod about in there with very little in the way of oversight. With a bit of stitching together I now also know everywhere you've been (your phone records tell us) with who (again, they probably have a phone) and why (looking back at any net traffic showing you looking up things at the location, calls made to people or businesses in the area, etc). Isn't all this data already available through a myriad of other sources, though? Your votes can be traced via your unique identifier on your polling card, your internet habits can be tracked via cookies an used for targettted advertising (thankfully oron sites don't seem to have cottoned on to this yet ), gender - pretty sure trying to hide that would be pointless. Wasn't the NHS medical database opened up to the highest bidder a few months ago? We willingly tag ourselves and our freinds in social media posts, or our apps do it for us, so our whereabouts generally are not difficult to trace. And phone records have been available as a tracking tool for years. If anyone was really worried about people tracking their comings and goings online, we would all use Tor, shun social media, and never post anything in an open forum about what we were doing and when we were doing it. I get were you are coming from, but I don't think for one second that any of this is new. Its just the increased efficiency that the data can potentially be gathered, and the fact that it is set against the backdrop of the general distrust / paranoia surrounding the gubberment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 This system has been around for a long time, incorrect analysis is the problem and I have extensive first hand experience of this. In Poland, August 2000 at the exact moment of a total eclipse of the sun, I struck into a grass carp that turned out to be almost but not quite the World record. Subsequently however, in 2003, a tax inspector found a photograph of me online holding this fish and I was wearing a T-shirt printed with the product name of a fishing bait, however, HMRC mistakenly assumed this to be a Company name. Consequently, their company search did not find a company, which resulted in them assuming that whilst I was managing my U.K. tax paid business in France with only a tent for an office, I was also covertly operating a bait company in the U.K. and owed them £ots of fictitious unpaid revenue. Without any warning, every single penny of my life's worth was seized from my French Bank account. Subsequently, representing myself, I have proven my case in court, not once but twice, however, these illegal covert activities are performed with political immunity, these "Fat Controllers" are above the law and simply refuse to accept the court judgement. Prior to this example/case/personal-experience of 13-years so far and still continuing abuse of power, I was of the same mind as Chris, however, I have learned the hard way what a heinous "program" it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 The EU really doesnt like democracy does it http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3674789/EU-commission-staffer-writes-Tory-MP-demanding-votes-BLOCK-leaving-despite-country-backing-Brexit-historic-referendum.html On a side note Carney is talking on BBC news at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I just pray another one or two big players (payers...?) pull out of the EU and finishes the bloody thing off once and for all. And Leadsom gets to be PM, although it looks like May is going to have it. At least May has cited going ahead with Trident I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 A screenshot of some of the letter sent to MPs from Brussels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Have they named this EU employee and cited his job title yet? I suppose he could just be a well educated janitor.... If he is working in any level of authority he should be made a personal janitor to Nigel Farage though. Then given regular beatings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike2JZ Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 "Dear Mr Smith" Couldn't have gone for a better cliche. I feel like the letter is faked, release the name and let them burn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Upon reaching the age of political consent, my first ever vote was in favour of joining the common market. Free trade with Europe did and still does sound like a good proposition. However, what it covertly metamorphosed to become, was certainly not what anyone voted in for and is why most of those old enough to remember the original deal voted no to the "reality". The referendum only came about as a political tool as a tactic for re-election of political tool David Cameron, which by default, thankfully, the selfishness of this Tool gave us the chance to escape the covert Federal Dictatorship. The key word in this matter is "Democracy", which is a concept that many in "power" have clearly demonstrated a total lack of comprehension, which unseen by their "privileged blindness" is continuing to undermine the battlements. I bet you a pint their's a few eyebrow lifters to come yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I bet you a pint their's a few eyebrow lifters to come yet. I am sure you are dead right there David! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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