stevie_b Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Interesting article about evidence presented during (and after) debates. It's about the Chilcot report but I see strong parallels with the Brexit debate. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36744911 This isn't meant to be a partisan post. It's useful that it isn't about the referendum, because it's easier to see it in a neutral light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Interesting article about evidence presented during (and after) debates. It's about the Chilcot report but I see strong parallels with the Brexit debate. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36744911 This isn't meant to be a partisan post. It's useful that it isn't about the referendum, because it's easier to see it in a neutral light. Interesting read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natony Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 It is a sort of stockholm syndrome, Everyone gets their information from the main stream media (which is extremely biased) and that builds a belief system. Then important information comes along like the snowden leaks (everything you do is being spied on), high level paedophile rings etc etc that challenge belief system and people would rather ignore it than deal with it. It reminds me of the matrix films, the first one was about how the control system couldn't work when people had the ability to make free choice. The second film was about the "why" as in why you make the choices and that the control system realised that if it could control the "why" it could control choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Public opinion is groomed by continual biased reporting and freedom of the press is just as complex an illusion as human rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Leadsom rules herself out of the Tory Leadership, meaning that Theresa May is our next PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Leadsom rules herself out of the Tory Leadership, meaning that Theresa May is our next PM. She's already got plans to overule the referedum. The rules for article 50 are changing in about 9 months so you need majority approval of the EU members to leave. Theresa May has already stated she wants to push it out till next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 She's already stated that Brexit means Brexit - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-brexit-means-brexit-conservative-leadership-no-attempt-remain-inside-eu-leave-europe-a7130596.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natony Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 She's already stated that Brexit means Brexit - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-brexit-means-brexit-conservative-leadership-no-attempt-remain-inside-eu-leave-europe-a7130596.html Pretty much everything May has ever said is a lie, it was only a mtter of weeks ago she was campaigning to remain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Pretty much everything May has ever said is a lie, it was only a mtter of weeks ago she was campaigning to remain. Why is that a lie? She was indeed campaigning to remain, but we can still have (and I strongly believe we will have) a new PM who was pro-remain but will still invoke Article 50. I see no dishonesty or lying in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natony Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Why is that a lie? She was indeed campaigning to remain, but we can still have (and I strongly believe we will have) a new PM who was pro-remain but will still invoke Article 50. I see no dishonesty or lying in that. I guess we'll see in a few months won't we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 The rules for article 50 are changing in about 9 months so you need majority approval of the EU members to leave. Have you got a reference for this? If it's true, I strongly suspect it won't trouble the UK's Brexit plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I guess we'll see in a few months won't we. My question still stands though. Where has Theresa May lied, in particular regarding the referendum and Brexit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 This whole debacle is more hilarious (in a sick, twisted brain hurting way) than the most hilarious thing I've ever seen. Leasdom 'ambushed' by herself by answering questions herself. May (a remainer) winning leadership without actually doing anything, just watching everyone else fall on their swords. No one voted for May and now she's PM, millions of people support Corbyn and yet he's facing leadership contests. Welcome to democracy. ....and these are the "elite". Regardless of Mays "Brexit means Brexit" speech I'm still as confident in my bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Have you got a reference for this? If it's true, I strongly suspect it won't trouble the UK's Brexit plans. Well the quickest is Wikipedia believe it or not: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union You can see that the treaty of Lisbon has new items that require qualified majority vote. One is ref 49a TEU which is the withdrawal of a member state. This will require, as the name suggests, a majority vote. If we don't trigger article 50 before this change comes into effect then it doesn't matter what that snake Theresa May says because it won't be her decision anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 My question still stands though. Where has Theresa May lied, in particular regarding the referendum and Brexit? Interesting points of view here: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-prime-minister-andrea-leadsom-policies-voting-record-human-rights-what-did-she-mean-a7130961.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Well the quickest is Wikipedia believe it or not: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union You can see that the treaty of Lisbon has new items that require qualified majority vote. One is ref 49a TEU which is the withdrawal of a member state. This will require, as the same suggests, a majority vote. If we don't trigger article 50 before this change comes into effect then it doesn't matter what that snake Theresa May says because it won't be her decision anymore. That in itself is another nail in the EU coffin, how undemocratic, so a nations population vote to leave but a few unelected TW@TS decide its not in their interest can vote and overrule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I reckon you could still tell them to shove it since the brexit vote was before any rule changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Maybe a lot of the dire warnings about Brexit's effect on the economy were just sabre-rattling: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36771595 We shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Maybe a lot of the dire warnings about Brexit's effect on the economy were just sabre-rattling: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36771595 We shall see. Together with: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36763212 and BAE share price increase https://chart.hl.co.uk/charts/chart.jsproto_large.chart?ID_SEDOL=0263494&WIDTH=460&HEIGHT=188&TIME_SPAN=1M&SUBSAMPLINGGRANULARITY=DAY&XAXISCLOSECOL=0&LINE_WIDTH=1&MOUNTAIN_COLOR1=a5b9d8&MOUNTAIN_COLOR2=c1cfe5&MOUNTAIN_COLOR3=c1cfe5&MOUNTAIN_COLOR4=ffffff&ID_NOTATION_COLOR1=25456b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36818055 A colleague was telling me because of the EU some companies from Australia have not been able to trade fully with the UK as they put quotas on them. This will now be freed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabella Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 What trade with the commonwealth? Oh wait we used to do that! Yes it does free up things like that, why people got so annoyed at the doom mongering from the remain campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 It winds me up when remainers say trade deals can take 10 years to do blah blah. Yeah so what. Just proves most people were voting for themselves, now and not looking for a future for their country and their children. Brexit will be the best thing for Britain. It will take time, but we, and our children will be greatly better off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Still not going to happen. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Still not going to happen. Ever. /QUOTE] So you'll be taking all those other £20 bets then, or er just the one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Still not going to happen. Ever. /QUOTE] I disagree. But I don't think Brexit will be everything many leave voters wanted. I suspect they will fudge a trade deal, and free movement will remain, albeit with some superficial amendment to sell it as reform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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