dr_jekyll Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 thers strip clubs in atlanta where you can watch the girls bath eachother. alllriight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gpro Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Edited November 15, 2012 by Gpro (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 i disagree , a few members on here are huge brand snobs. and spend thousands on brands and parts they nothing about on the sayso of the in crowd, its the whole school yard thing. knowbody wants to be the kid in the hightech trainers, becasue the nike ones make you run faster and twice as cool. Of course there are, I can think of quite a few off the top of my head! I'm a driving enthusiast, I care nothing for car shows and looks are generally at the bottom of my priority list. When I buy / build a car, I want a great driving and ownership experience. As any time served engineer will tell you, if you want to build something dependable, always use tried and tested parts. My driving adventures have taken me all over the continent. I need to know that I can jump in my car, drive it hundreds of miles of mixed driving, then do some very hard laps at a track day, all in one day. As you can see, using cheap parts with known high failure rates does not really support my lifestyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gpro Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Edited November 15, 2012 by Gpro (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 lets all hug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz182 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 But you and everyone needs to understand some people have the same passion as you but can't physically afford the proper setup so something is better then nothing just that, if your budget isnt great then yes your set up may not be as reliable or drive as well as a 20k setup.. but its still a single supra and gonna put a smile on your face! this is a forum for people who share a passion for the supra, and on the whole its a great place to share your driving experiences and get advice on parts etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) But you and everyone needs to understand some people have the same passion as you but can't physically afford the proper setup so something is better then nothing I understand perfectly. After a successful career, I find myself unemployed, after 2 years of uni which I had to leave as I couldn't afford it anymore. I could afford a cheap Supra, and to carry out a cheap NA-T conversion. But I'd rather buy a different car, with lower running costs and less performance, which is exactly what I did. I bet you many of the people on here who would do a single conversion on the cheap, would have no hesitation in spending £1k on cheap, horrible 18" wheels though, when stock 17s are perfect for most needs. I wish their was more people like you on the forum but most people its all show and spending 10k on a turbo setup but not actually using it its normal for them. You get that on any car forum but there are plenty who's Supras are primarily a driving tool, they just tend to be the types that don't post as often. Everyone's priorities are varied, that's what makes this club so diverse and great! Edited October 12, 2012 by j_jza80 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gpro Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Edited November 15, 2012 by Gpro (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Welsh-Stealth- Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Honestly not being funny in anyway what so ever.... Now that everyone has kissed& made up But I've been here since may 2009. And for all the people I've seen using the T61, I think I can only recall 2 threads on failed T61's.... I could be wrong... But does anyone have a link to the failed threads? May help clear things up... As well as getting back on topic Just also curious knowing a few fellow pikeys that use the P61 and haven't had catastrophically epic failures. Or generally failures. Can I Be in the cool crowd or are converse out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashbuster Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) And the numbers still speak for themselves, I reckon for every forum member with positive experience of XS power parts, there's at least 3 with a negative experience. where are these threads? i know there were problems years ago but where are the threads with problems now since the manifolds have changed? how far back was the last major problem with them where it apparently destroyed the engine? Edited October 12, 2012 by ashbuster (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoooby slayer Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 all this comments of people suggesting all cheap turbos are made of cheese etc have you all actually run a cheap xs power or similar turbo ? im guessing most comments arent coming from a testing them background but merely i heard a tale stories. i have sold and run alot of turbos supplied by ss autochrome i did it for about 18 months 4 years ago i finished as i didnt have the time for it anymore. they were to4e turbos $149 each, they were similar in size to a garrett t34 with a 0.63 exhaust housing, i used one on my own cosworth at 22 psi no problems, and i sold alot custom fitted to manifolds for cosworth yb, escort rs turbo and custom c20let conversions and i never had 1 failure. ive also fitted a cheap shaft, wheels and seal kit to a renault lauguna 2.2 dci and again still running no problems. i wouldnt run one on a big budget big boost application but on a cheap built on a stock engine i would give them a go, the company i used sell alot of gear aswell. theres always the risk it can fail but a branded big money turbo can fail also. link to the best company i found for sourceing cheap turbo kits http://ssautochrome.com/ iirc they sell a 2jz kit aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Blimey, my comment seem's to have caused a stir. I love these kind of threads But parts produced on a budget will not generally compare with those that have £Ks in development in them. Mate I fully see where your coming from, reliability and all that. But my budget won't change, and I wouldn't want to be compared to a car built from premium parts. That's like comparing Tesco own biscuits to Hobnobs? Doesn't mean you won't enjoy your Tesco own biscuit any less. When your driving a cheap 600bhp or a premium built 600bhp. IF neither break down, the only thing you have on your side is that peace of mind and an empty pocket. I fully appreciate people buying better parts, I would of if I had the cash. But, I don't, so if I boost a few hundred rpm later, I still get the end result just not as able to take advantage of it. You could buy a garrett and have a line blockage (for example), turbo doesn't get fed, boom you need a new turbo. I always said I'd buy cheap unless it went wrong and then I'd replace it with more expensive parts. If mine falls apart I'll hold my hands up. otherwise I really don't feel being at least 5k short will drive that much better. Everything could fail, I could still fix or replace pretty much everything and have change. BUT!!!.... if I earned a better wage, had more cash, wasn't saving for a second degree.. I probably would buy higher end parts. But if its cheap single vs no single and pretty wheels, Im cheap all the way. You made some good points though dude and you do talk sense without slating people. On a more general note..... As well good points we should always remember there are bad cases too. Though it's not just the bad cases, people need to bring the two sides to the argument. My turbo isn't the only XS part that's been fine. I bought a 2nd hand manifold, 2nd hand downpipe. No problems apart from the o2 sensor weld's did look a bit naff, BUT it works, and lined up perfectly with my exhaust, even Whiffin was surprised when he installed it. People who haven't own these parts SERIOUSLY NEED to appreciate others buy them and don't have faults just as people who own them appreciate more expensive parts give them reassurance. Seems to be a bit of cheap-part bashing therefore your car is shit. Most of the big power guys never post on my threads, that's because it isn't their thing. They dont slag me off on the forum about it, its just not their thing, so fair enough. I'm not in their crowd, they keep their opinions to themselves. PLUS they haven't owned one. Think there's alot of people following the trend as always. Perfect example of this is the 3" exhaust is typical for single. Report shown yesterday of how a 3.5" performed 100whp better. So I got flamed for wanting bigger than 3" for my NA-T because Im not following the trend. JamieP said he always used the biggest exhaust he could. People only want to watch his video's and say how awesome his car is, how about listening to what he actually says? I took his advice on posts I read and am looking forward to remap after seeing the report yesterday showing it's worth the extra inch. True car ethusiasts shouldnt slag off anyone elses car, turbo brand or bumper choice, period! All joking aside though, this forum is full of awesome people that help you out car-related or anyway they can, I just think things get a bit heated with the NA vs TT conversions. We need to remember we help each other on the forum not cause arguments. :love: Edited October 12, 2012 by Noz (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 sorry i have to say this been holding it too long. Why do all the big boys here that spend 10K+ on their single turbo conversions never actually drive the cars hard ? Most people i seen on this forum the turbos just about have 1000 miles on them! Big money = Show/Showoff car properly never seen over 70mph Tight budget = genuinely want more power to use not to pub talk That's right, most people on here do not go above 70 mph, even on track days and on drag strips. It makes me sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 *cough,cough*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4sH4pLlSRo&feature=player_embedded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashbuster Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Garrett GT4088 http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn439/vanssk8ter360/Garrettturbo.jpg there is a post on here about that turbo the daf one that they fail Edited October 12, 2012 by ashbuster (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 exactly these chinese ones you dont know exactly what they have been designed for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashbuster Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?165183-Garrett-4088-turbo-failures-the-full-story&highlight=garrett+4088 Edited October 12, 2012 by ashbuster (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 sorry i have to say this been holding it too long. Why do all the big boys here that spend 10K+ on their single turbo conversions never actually drive the cars hard ? Most people i seen on this forum the turbos just about have 1000 miles on them! Big money = Show/Showoff car properly never seen over 70mph Tight budget = genuinely want more power to use not to pub talk Bellwhiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 any feedback welcomed If it was me I'd look at sourcing a known quality brand of turbo 2nd hand rather than to buy new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubbyTwo Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 what about the PHR turbo in the sale section? £500 with manifold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Mitchell Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) lol maybe 5% of big boy cars here actually put their foot down the rest are all pub talks that are scared to drive their own cars i mean seriously whats the point!! i was at santa pod couple weeks ago the only supras that where going for it was budget turbos all the big boys where posing in the car park! I dont really think you know what your talking about, Just because you go to santapod you think every decent built supra running nice turbos ect , should be ripping down the strip? everyone on this forum builds cars for different reasons... you dont put a single on for shows, you put one on to have a bit of fun and have a seriously powerful road car! well thats what i done it for BUT i also built a show car to promote my company so i guess im just a 'big boy posing'? I dont critisise no one on the forum but i do laugh at some of the comments made by others. My advise to the OP is save up and get a little decent turbo kit, plenty on the market and also do more research. XS stuff is not the best but there are people who have had ok results with bit. OH I HAVE A S362 TURBO KIT FORSALE, NEARLY BRAND NEW!! Edited October 12, 2012 by Rob_Mitchell (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubbyTwo Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Gpro, tell that to JamieP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tengu Posted October 12, 2012 Author Share Posted October 12, 2012 Oauuuu .... this is on fire he he Thanks guys for your input, i never use cheap turbos before always been garrett freak, but i just bought the tt engine from Parry with emanage radiator, r154 gbox and bellhoussing, intercooler and loads more i cant remember, paid for the conversion and all that cost me quiet few pennies. I would love to go single while doing the conversion as well but its just too much all at once that's why i asked about budget turbos. Car is for drifting, will end up being a full track car eventually and no i am not the kind afraid to drive my car ... as u can see on the videos below, driving some of my cars i had in the past. So the single set up must be able to take some serious punishment. Most probably i will keep the tt setup for now make sure car its all ok after the conversion, should be good enough for drifting with the 400bhp for now and go single in one year or so ... Me driving not too hard My NA supra: My GT3076 Garrett R33 Skyline: My D1SL S14: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZvJ4z-Gvbw&list=FLdBCgdULIVMprGeWSVV5L9w&index=21&feature=plpp_video My stock R33 GTST: So if all goes well this supra will eventually be a proper drift car, but as you all well know we wish we could have the money to do it all at once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 You should try drifting with Big Twins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Swhere are these threads? i know there were problems years ago but where are the threads with problems now since the manifolds have changed? how far back was the last major problem with them where it apparently destroyed the engine? That's because most people won't use XS power products on their cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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