Supra valuations

[supraGZaerotop]

imo i think my car will rise is price, not being big headed or nothing but i think there are 2 models to look for both should be as nice and oem as is likely! and thats the 6sp TT and the gz aerotop TT. if i ever thought id like to sell, at this time, id want 9-10K.

[Bossco]

I put my BPU auto for sale at 10.5k, almost every aspect of it had been modified and it sold in about 12 hours. I put it up for sale for what I thought it was worth, not what other TT's were selling for. I'd recommend everyone else does the same. Problem is, sometimes you need to sell for financial reasons and can't afford to wait around for the right buyer, so you sell for less, happens all the time.

 

I don't fully buy into modified cars automatically sell for less, all depends on what the buyer wants and how tasteful the mods are.

 

For me, the price of supras reduced because the market was flooded. Now I think prices are low as there are due to far to many dogs on the road which really are worth sub 3k. High miles and in poor condition etc.... Plus, when prices hit rock bottom, the cars were snapped up by owners who never really wanted to look after them or who couldn't afford to run a 20 year old car. Once all the dogs are gone and only good examples remain then the price will rocket up.

[JasonR24]

I waqs about to PM you, but I've realised you haven't included facelift, pre facelift, VVTi, tiptronic etc. When you add these up, there is a huge variation.

 

but, maybe this would be a good, rough guide:

 

Pre facelift:

- TT6 - £7k - £12k

- TT Auto - £4k - £7k

- TT aero - £7k - £11k

- NA 5 - £2k - £4k

- NA auto - £1.5k - £3k

- NA Aero - £2.5k - £4.5k

- UK TT6 - £9k - £15k

- UK TT auto - £5.5k - £9k

 

Facelift:

TT6 - £8k - £13k

TT auto - £5.5k - £8k

NA 5 - £3k - £4k

NA 6 - £4.5k - £6.5k

NA Aero - £4k - £6k

 

VVTi:

TT6 - £9k - £15k (plus potentially MUCH more for a low miles, fresh import)

Tiptronic - £7.5k - £11k

 

I don't think BPU would affect the value particularly, certainly not when compared to overall condition. However, cars with big, bellended bodykits can knock a fair chunk off those prices.

 

Agree with this pricing tbh. Although i disagree with the any higher for a tt6 vvti. Definitely think the autos are rightly priced. I've seen some for sale ads and thought that's a fair price for a TT6, had a look and seen its an auto and just laughed!

[KamaSupra]

I think all the signs are that you did sell that too cheap Dave.

 

I just thought that as it was NA I'd be taking the mickey if I put it up for more

 

I'm going to pm Dean and see if I can get another grand out of him.

 

You've single handedly made the value of these cars drop. Shame on you.

 

I'm sorry guys

 

I hope my stock TT6 continues to rise in price if looking at the comments are true

[j_jza80]

imo i think my car will rise is price, not being big headed or nothing but i think there are 2 models to look for both should be as nice and oem as is likely! and thats the 6sp TT and the gz aerotop TT. if i ever thought id like to sell, at this time, id want 9-10K.

 

There's no doubt that it is a rare model. However, if US demand does affect values here, the aerotop will be the least effected of the turbo cars, because over there the aerotop is common, and hard tops are the desirable models.

[RobUK]

Just to put it out there... What about TT6 aero with SRD built engine BPU

[j_jza80]

Agree with this pricing tbh. Although i disagree with the any higher for a tt6 vvti. Definitely think the autos are rightly priced. I've seen some for sale ads and thought that's a fair price for a TT6, had a look and seen its an auto and just laughed!

 

Some VVTi TT6s are over £30k in Japan now, but there are many at £15k+ and even £20k+ Without a doubt these are going to be the most desirable models of all in the long run.

[KamaSupra]

There's no doubt that it is a rare model. However, if US demand does affect values here, the aerotop will be the least effected of the turbo cars, because over there the aerotop is common, and hard tops are the desirable models.

 

^^^^^

This is exactly what I said to my fiancée when I was looking for a new Supra. I said once the Supra is 25 years old and the USA allows Jap imports in, I think hard top TT6 Supras will rise in value. That's one of the reasons I didn't buy a TT aero, I wanted an investment

 

Surely colour has an influence too, so a RSP, a Yellow or Deep Jewel Green TT6 would demand more money than say a Silver or Black TT6 because they're a rarer colour?

 

Also any nice little bits like oem Recaros, carbon fibre steering wheel etc

[Abz]

not having regular maintenance carried out(a 20 year old Supra should be on it's fifth cam belt now, how may can honestly say this is the case?)

 

How can I be on my 5th cam belt change when the engine has only done 40k

 

Agreed you have the dogs like any marquee but the good ones sell quickly and at a much higher price than the poor examples on the market.

[SPG]

How can I be on my 5th cam belt change when the engine has only done 40k

 

Agreed you have the dogs like any marquee but the good ones sell quickly and at a much higher price than the poor examples on the market.

 

Because belts deteriorate with time also Abz, not just with usage.

 

Toyota interval is 60,000 miles or every 5years, which ever comes first.

 

I'm sure steven was directing the comment towards cars with an average mileage usage.

Edited September 11, 2014 by SPG (see edit history)

[Abz]

Because belts deteriorate with time also Abz, not just with usage.

 

Toyota interval is 60,000 miles or every 5years, which ever comes first.

 

I'm sure steven was directing the comment towards cars with an average mileage usage.

 

Gotcha, didn't know it was recommended to change every 5 years, I'll get that on the cards, cheers chaps!

[Dnk]

I think every 5 years is overkill to be honest, i'd be more concerned about the old

brakes, old radiator, old intercooler, old heater matrix, old crank pulley, old seized

supension arms, lack of oil changes, parts from the scrapyard etc etc

Edited September 11, 2014 by Dnk (see edit history)

[Pete]

Interesting discussion, thanks.

 

I've taken a couple of things from this:

1) Supras haven't fallen much in value in 10 years, very low depreciation is good!

2) There are plenty of examples that have not been maintained well. Unlike many NSXs for example which mostly seem to be in superb visual condition, which are dragging up the values of the poorer examples.

3) Demand for our cars is falling in the UK, but greater elsewhere. (Maybe we should send some back to Japan)

4) Club members as a whole would like to see the valuation chat removed from for sale threads unless it's "Wow, what a bargain!" ?

 

That last point is quite important as I don't want to start removing such posts if it's not what the general consensus feels is the right thing.

 

What do we reckon?

[Gaz6002]

What do we reckon?

 

That looks about the size of it as far as I'm concerned. I'd suspect members asking genuine questions about the car should be OK too. There may be detail missing from the advert that could affect the sale.

[Benjy]

4) Club members as a whole would like to see the valuation chat removed from for sale threads unless it's "Wow, what a bargain!" ?

 

That last point is quite important as I don't want to start removing such posts if it's not what the general consensus feels is the right thing.

 

What do we reckon?

 

I don't honestly think the valuation chat on classified ads makes a difference. As long as it's not derogatory remarks like "Looks sh*t, knock a grand off..." type of remarks. Advising people it's too high or too low is advice if people are selling their cars and want them to sell. If it's £500-£1000 too expensive, then nobody's really going to pipe up. Almost twice the value of a similar spec'd car? Why shouldn't we mention it? Is it ok to tell someone that their car's under priced after someone's shown an interest in it so that the price rises for the buyer? It works both ways.

 

Isn't advice the reason we all initially joined?

 

Also, being able to post a car up in the classifieds after paying £10. 16 posts from the guy with the grey TT auto. Oh, and it's for sale on Autotrader, less than £10k, by a trader! Effectively it seems as if we're inviting traders to sell cars for too much money and under false pretenses.

[Gaz6002]

Also, being able to post a car up in the classifieds after paying £10. 16 posts from the guy with the grey TT auto. Oh, and it's for sale on Autotrader, less than £10k, by a trader! Effectively it seems as if we're inviting traders to sell cars for too much money and under false pretenses.

 

What do you mean? That there should be other restrictions?

[Benjy]

What do you mean? That there should be other restrictions?

 

Potentially, yeah.

 

In some ways it's good that we get pretty much the pick of the cars that are advertised on here, but why not put a minimum post count on the classifieds? I know not everyone uses the forum as a form of social media as many of us do, but it cheesed me off somewhat that this seemingly "Gang up on Ben thread" has carried on, and I'm the ONLY person who has cottoned onto the fact that this guy is a trader.

 

We had the black Veilside kitted *thing* that was advertised on ebay. The guy literally joined, posted the car for sale, got some stick about the bodykit and never sold the car via the club as far as I'm aware.

 

Why not lock the thread to all except the person selling the car? If commenting is such an issue, let all communication take place via PM. That way, the OP has the capabilities to bump the thread and also update it with more pictures, reduced prices etc.

 

Or, carry on as we are, and everyone stop getting so touchy? It's ok to say "You've ruined it with that spoiler" or such like on a build thread, but not "check the classifieds to see what these cars actually sell for"? If you don't want an opinion, don't post it on a forum full of people who know these cars inside and out.

 

The amount of abuse people get on here for not using the search button, yet it's ok not to do a bit of research before you post a car up for sale?

[Gaz6002]

Potentially, yeah.

 

In some ways it's good that we get pretty much the pick of the cars that are advertised on here, but why not put a minimum post count on the classifieds? I know not everyone uses the forum as a form of social media as many of us do, but it cheesed me off somewhat that this seemingly "Gang up on Ben thread" has carried on, and I'm the ONLY person who has cottoned onto the fact that this guy is a trader.

 

We had the black Veilside kitted *thing* that was advertised on ebay. The guy literally joined, posted the car for sale, got some stick about the bodykit and never sold the car via the club as far as I'm aware.

 

Why not lock the thread to all except the person selling the car? If commenting is such an issue, let all communication take place via PM. That way, the OP has the capabilities to bump the thread and also update it with more pictures, reduced prices etc.

 

Or, carry on as we are, and everyone stop getting so touchy? It's ok to say "You've ruined it with that spoiler" or such like on a build thread, but not "check the classifieds to see what these cars actually sell for"? If you don't want an opinion, don't post it on a forum full of people who know these cars inside and out.

 

The amount of abuse people get on here for not using the search button, yet it's ok not to do a bit of research before you post a car up for sale?

 

This thread has turned into an interesting discussion. I don't see it as a 'bash the Ben' thread at all. We probably need another one for that

 

A minimum post count would definitely cut down on the amount of Supras for sale on here, but by how much? Would the members be missing out, or would we just be avoiding dogs? No right answer here, it's up for discussion.

[jagman]

Advice from people who know little about cars is pointless , advice from people who have never seen the car is pointless , this is why I would suggest an inspection report .

There are a number of garages who specialise in supras and have done for some time . A few hours on a ramp and a 100 point report would sort the wheat from the chaff , selling a car : it would make sales easier and highlight any problems , buying a car it would highlight future expenditure / current expenditure.

Values will be driven by the market as always , but based on something solid , a few hundred quid for a report is far better than buying a wallet killing dog , which will simply be sold on and on , priced by the sellers description and how much he paid for it!!

Traders make a few quid , and some on going repair work , buyers/sellers get a clue about the car being sold , Keron gets a load of scrappers - lol , insurance companies get a hard base for payouts on condition ,small claims courts get inundated with cases of false advertising , mot testers lose their tickets

What could go wrong ........

[st3ven1]

The price comments are a tricky one, as I'm sure some people would get away with making comments and others wouldn't. If it's justified in either case then I think there's a place for it. I don't like seeing anyone over paying for a car.

 

One thing I'd like to stop is other people putting up very positive comments about a car as they've seen it once or know the owner. Several times I've seen this, after the car is sold the buyer then starts a thread with several issues they have found on the car which someone has described as 'mint'.

 

I'd say unless the positive comments are coming from a trader that has actually worked on the car, then they hold no weight at all and should be deleted. How else would a potential buyer know the comments are genuine and not someone just talking up a car they have seen once.

 

I'm not talking about "nice car" or "looks in great condition" type comments, I'm thinking more of "I've seen this and it's totally mint, nothing to worry about, owner is a good guy".

I think there are only a handful of Supras I'd describe as mint in this country, I've certainly never owned or seen one.

[j_jza80]

I don't think you can limit the post count for the sales section, not when you ask for the membership fee to be allowed access to it.

 

The sales section just needs to be moderated properly perhaps by a dedicated person, the amount of threads in there which are rubbish/dead/sold or not updated is ridiculous.

 

Some other forums have a system where classifieds are automatically withdrawn after a set amount of time, unless the advert is bumped. This keeps the onus on the seller to maintain their advert, and not the busy moderators.

[j_jza80]

IIRC we have had at least 2 very tidy TT autos sell for good tt6 money in recent years. One was Bosscos black one, and the other was the red one that Andrew had (who now owns the Final Evolution car)

 

even Jurgen said that Andrews red one was one of the cleanest Supras hr had ever seen, so it is possible for individual cars to buck price trends on nothing but their own merits.

[Benjy]

Nobody was questioning the condition of your car. We had a club member at JAE put his immaculate TT in the show and shine, and because of his OCD nature, despite it being immaculate, the guy picking the car to pieces has made him want to make it concourse. It was more the spec of the car. It's a BPU TT Auto. Almost identical spec to mine. Slightly less miles, lesser spec where mods are concerned. I wouldn't even pay £10k for mine, not even £9k!

 

The one on Autotrader is a UK spec and is totally unmolested. These are the type of car that will start commanding more money first.

 

Desireable mods, i.e. massive single turbo's and the like, built autoboxes, syvecs ECU's etc are the kind of mods that make a TT Auto worth more money. You will never get back what you spend on a modified car. Hence the amount that get broken up.

 

Another example, drift_bear's hybrid twin turbo currently owes him in the region of £25-£30k. Although he now has Syvecs, V161, methanol etc etc, you won't pay £25-£30k for it would you?

 

But then you're a car salesman, you should already know all this...

[Dnk]

It is pretty though...

 

Yes i totally agree but the one thing you must do with these old cars now is look beyond the paintwork

 

I wonder how much has been done to it parts wise, brakes will be getting tired along with the rad, heater matrix

diff cooler, dampers etc

 

If its had all this stuff replaced with new O/E parts then maybe its worth strong money, its not if they haven't,

well not in my book

[Benjy]

Got the heatshield and all stock parts so basically should I return to full stock then?? What's it worth fully stock?? Anyone want any parts then lol

 

When you consider the quality of the original GZ TT Aero that's up for £9k, the numerous VVTI Tiptronics that are around the same money, I honestly can't see anybody wanting to pay any more than the £7000-£7500 that Jason's said, which again was my estimate as the car sits now. You can pile thousands into these cars. It doesn't necessarily mean you'll get it back. Best bet is make it bone stock, sell it for £7000-£7500 and then make some money back on the parts you've fitted.