Turbofit Trader Status Removed

[imi]

I i am inclined to say that in the first place the Supra is no more complicated than most modern engines, and being so most competent garages should have no problem whatsoever servicing/fixing them!

 

True....but as the Supra is now pushing its age, things are starting to go wrong and troubleshooting them is best done by people in the know about these cars. They might seem expensive on the outset but in the long run it will always work cheaper.

 

I prefer that the specialist gets the work done right the first time round rather than going back to them for 2nd dibbs. Both from a customer service and from a business profitability perspective it make logical sense.

 

At the end of the day we are all humans and we do make mistakes. point is where do you draw the line. I trust the likes of Mr Harwood and Mark from Pheonix.

 

imi

[Tricky-Ricky]

True....but as the Supra is now pushing its age, things are starting to go wrong and troubleshooting them is best done by people in the know about these cars. They might seem expensive on the outset but in the long run it will always work cheaper.

 

I prefer that the specialist gets the work done right the first time round rather than going back to them for 2nd dibbs. Both from a customer service and from a business profitability perspective it make logical sense.

 

At the end of the day we are all humans and we do make mistakes. point is where do you draw the line. I trust the likes of Mr Harwood and Mark from Pheonix.

 

imi

 

 

Which is why i said this, "So IMO if you want to own a high spec/performance modified car, then either be prepared to pay for the best tuners, or don't bother unless you can do it all yourself.";)

[carl0s]

The problem arises when someone with the mechanical understanding and ability of my cat!decides that he wants a big spec fast modded jap car, now i am not knocking these people at all, but it then leaves them no choice but to use only "tuners/specialist's" for any work, so they are then at the mercy of the supposed competence and skill of these people, and the varied opinions of everybody else in the modified/performance scene!

 

So IMO if you want to own a high spec/performance modified car, then either be prepared to pay for the best tuners, or don't bother unless you can do it all yourself.

 

Exactly. This doesn't mean don't have a Supra, IMO, it just means don't go beyond BPU unless you can do the work yourself or have a truly competent mechanic.

[hogmaw]

Exactly. This doesn't mean don't have a Supra, IMO, it just means don't go beyond BPU unless you can do the work yourself or have a truly competent mechanic.

 

Which is exactly why I'm stopping at bpu!

[Jezz]

new line was made up there and then and replaced at no charge this is just one example of many of the guys there bending over backward to help me

 

See below....

 

Gregg told me that it was the business side of things that sent TF down the pan. not putting a percent on top of parts. charging low hourley rates for labour and doing stuff for free or for little to no charge.

 

Exactly.

Running a business like a club, or 'mates rates' is never going to work, as proved here. Its all very well and good Sam and Greg being nice people, which they are. This unfortunatley, amongst other things, lead to their downfall.

[Matt Harwood]

Edit: Why do people who have had no dealings with TF have to jump on the bandwagon and just take the piss!

remember there are two sides to every story! or are you all aggrieved customers:rolleyes:

 

I could be reading that wrong, and I hope that's not a dig at my comments so far.

 

The reason I'm making my thoughts known now, is because for the past year, I've seen so many people with their cars that are their pride and joy, being bitten by appaling workmanship that has caused so many problems.

As I've already said, the last time I backed up one of their previously f*cked up customers who had been treated appalingly, I got shot down by their fanboi squad, some of which have admitted that they have very little technical knowledge and were, IMHO, therefore unqualified to comment. But comment, they did...

 

It's so frustrating just sitting back and knowing that people are having their cars bodged up and people are getting ripped off.

Tom is only one of many people that have lost faith in Supra ownership since dealing with Turbofit. I KNOW there are more. Some of which were, at one time, loyal Turbofit supporters.

[Tricky-Ricky]

I could be reading that wrong, and I hope that's not a dig at my comments so far.

 

Don't be so paranoid Matt, it was just a general comment about all the sniping going on as it get on my nerves;)

I still stand by my comments, and especially my first,

i am only going by what i have read recently, as like i said i am not qualified to speak from personal experience of TF, I am just trying to inject a little objectivity, rather than pouring oil on the fires of derision, if ALL the comments about poor service, cock up's etc are correct, then all i can do is give my sympathy to those affected, other than that i am just trying to point out that there is another side to the coin:)

[carl0s]

Which is exactly why I'm stopping at bpu!

 

Me too

[Steve]

Me too

 

I said that aswell. But things happen

[imi]

Me too

 

one of the things putting me off a single

[Branners]

Maybe not, i guess it never does, just pisses me off that people with no reason have to take the piss and stick the knife in:soap:

 

And this is the exact reason why we tend to keep issues to ourselves. I have seen some horrific TF work up on ramps at other tuners. The owners knew nothing of the problems and thought it was all running fine until a small problem arose and a competent tuner then took a look. What they found has horrified them and me.

 

If people with technical knowledge are willing to post up their views then they should be listened to. People like Matt Harwood have no interest in seeing a trader go bust but they do have the interests of the members at heart.

 

Im no mechanic but when I see low grade wire used to relocate a battery to a boot which then runs through a hole without a grommet leading to the shielding being worn away I start to worry. When I then hear about a hole being made in the firewall using a chisel and wires passed through that hole with no protection I really start to worry. I then hear that the TF mechanic has a fag in his mouth while he works on a car and a variety of tools have been left in the engine bay when the cars have been returned to the owner. In all my years having my car modified it has only ever stopped once on the way home, no car should ever be let out of the workshop without being properly and SAFELY tested. I read the stories of cars stopping time and time again or going back for remedial work time and time again and shake my head.

 

Greg seemed a nice guy when I met him, but im my opinion (and many others) TF have destroyed the reputation of the 2jzgte in the UK. The mkiv engine just does not fail on the frequency they were seeing. I have never heard of a crank fail in a mkiv, how many did TF replace in the end? The internal oil pump design has NOT been changed by Toyota, its still the same but with the extra mounting point on the outside. Crank oil seals do fail, but on the regularity that we saw from TF?

 

Its a sad state of affairs that we know about problems with traders but any sort of action taken against them is fought against by their fans. TF screwed up many installs and their work was quite frankly shoddy, but still the fanbois cannot see it and will defend them to the hilt.

 

That will no doubt piss off those who support TF and more than likely Greg but it has to be said as I need to be clear why they were to be removed from the forum. Some members are down a serious amount of money now, in some cases more than their car might be worth, just think about that for a moment, I know if that was the case with me I would walk away from the car and never return.

 

JB

[Tricky-Ricky]

And this is the exact reason why we tend to keep issues to ourselves. I have seen some horrific TF work up on ramps at other tuners. The owners knew nothing of the problems and thought it was all running fine until a small problem arose and a competent tuner then took a look. What they found has horrified them and me.

 

If people with technical knowledge are willing to post up their views then they should be listened to. People like Matt Harwood have no interest in seeing a trader go bust but they do have the interests of the members at heart.

 

Im no mechanic but when I see low grade wire used to relocate a battery to a boot which then runs through a hole without a grommet leading to the shielding being worn away I start to worry. When I then hear about a hole being made in the firewall using a chisel and wires passed through that hole with no protection I really start to worry. I then hear that the TF mechanic has a fag in his mouth while he works on a car and a variety of tools have been left in the engine bay when the cars have been returned to the owner. In all my years having my car modified it has only ever stopped once on the way home, no car should ever be let out of the workshop without being properly and SAFELY tested. I read the stories of cars stopping time and time again or going back for remedial work time and time again and shake my head.

 

Greg seemed a nice guy when I met him, but im my opinion (and many others) TF have destroyed the reputation of the 2jzgte in the UK. The mkiv engine just does not fail on the frequency they were seeing. I have never heard of a crank fail in a mkiv, how many did TF replace in the end? The internal oil pump design has NOT been changed by Toyota, its still the same but with the extra mounting point on the outside. Crank oil seals do fail, but on the regularity that we saw from TF?

 

Its a sad state of affairs that we know about problems with traders but any sort of action taken against them is fought against by their fans. TF screwed up many installs and their work was quite frankly shoddy, but still the fanbois cannot see it and will defend them to the hilt.

 

That will no doubt piss off those who support TF and more than likely Greg but it has to be said as I need to be clear why they were to be removed from the forum. Some members are down a serious amount of money now, in some cases more than their car might be worth, just think about that for a moment, I know if that was the case with me I would walk away from the car and never return.

 

JB

 

Well having read your first hand observation, i am quite frankly appalled:(

As i said i am not biased either way toward TF, but if that is an example of their work, and the pics i have seen where due to them and not left over from others, then i can see why the end has come!

As said i have spoken at length to Greg regarding the pump failure scenario, and found most of his findings credible, and i am no fool when it comes to engines, however talk is cheap as they say;) same goes for taking the middle ground:eyebrows:

[Pig]

Well said branners. I have just dropped my car down to have the work put right. Its going to cost thousands more!

All this and not a peep from sam or greg, i dont think they have any intention of dealing with my issue privatly.

 

P.S - if my supra was in a good enough state to sell i would have just got rid of it. I feel like i have been conned and cheated and was very nearly put of the supra for good.

 

edit - with ref. the oil pumps i feel the reason for the failures was the hairline fracture was caused by over tightening the pressure relief valve (the bolt on the front) i spoke to the mechanic and he informed me he tightened it as hard as he could.

[grahamc]

Well said branners. I have just dropped my car down to have the work put right. Its going to cost thousands more!

All this and not a peep from sam or greg, i dont think they have any intention of dealing with my issue privatly.

 

P.S - if my supra was in a good enough state to sell i would have just got rid of it. I feel like i have been conned and cheated and was very nearly put of the supra for good.

 

edit - with ref. the oil pumps i feel the reason for the failures was the hairline fracture was caused by over tightening the pressure relief valve (the bolt on the front) i spoke to the mechanic and he informed me he tightened it as hard as he could.

 

When you first brought up your dispute, it actually worried me. I am very concerned that some of the work that you cannot see has been bodged, badly. I will be taking my car to someone reputable to have a good look over it.

 

I also believe that they have no intention whatsoever to deal with my problem, let alone in private. If they really wanted to sort it out, they would have contacted me by now. But no, nothing. IMO this is the action of cowards.

 

So far I am not as bad off as you, and frankly I hope it never is, otherwise I would sell my car... in pieces

 

Good luck mate!

[uzthedentist]

their work was pretty poor really, they used to charge a ridiculous amount and worst of all they used to lie about work done. The prob is i didnt notice as i only use the car for fun runs on the weekend I only noticed 2 weeks later

 

classic was quote from sam when my car was done:

'we bled your brakes for you and filled it with the rbf600 you gave us'

then why then 2 weeks later did i find the 2 unopened bottles of rbf behind my passenger seat??????????????????????????

 

bunch of jokers seriously

 

i went there once, for some minor work. Never would i have gone there again.

[supRo]

I used to live only 15 minutes away from TF but I intentionally never used them.

 

This is some of their very shoddy work on member’s cars that I've seen. People make mistakes but these are not mistakes, just very amateurish and potentially dangerous work:

 

*Two different types of oil fittings welded together which subsequently leaked near the turbo..... (Almost went boom but luckily spotted by a TRAINED mechanic).

*Larger cams fitted but they didn’t know what the noise was - they hadn't done any shimming.

*Chopped off bolt used as a push rod in a clutch cylinder.

*Manual conversions not using OEM or correct size bolts.

*A bling PS reservoir was fitted to a member’s car and the PS system kept failing. TF tried 3 different PS pumps and then suggested his steering rack was shot. The member was talking to me at the time. I'm a technical numpty but even I know that when you do a PS fluid change and especially when you fit a bling PS reservoir, it's standard practice to make sure the gauze in the PS reservoir is clean and free from crap/metal bits - TF didn't do this!!

 

 

The TF people are nice guys, that’s why they have a large fan base. I've met them a few times. But come on people...wake up!

 

I remember during a Japshow, The TF car was next to Envy’s Car. Gaz lifted the bonnet and the TF crew’s faces were in shock! Obviously the Envy engine was done PROPERLY!

 

Another popular garage who was rectifying TF's work were forced to make the car owner sign a disclaimer because the TF work was so shoddy!

 

I warned a lot of members who I met including one of our mods.

[suprafan72]

Im just glad i never used these jokers.. I nearly did think about it once and im glad i never did.... Just feel sorry for John (pig) and Graham C.. who have invested allot of there hard earned money in crappy workmanship...

[dangerous brain]

 

It's so frustrating just sitting back and knowing that people are having their cars bodged up and people are getting ripped off

 

Yup I had to sit back and await the proper time to release the information I had on matey lucifer as it just would have been poo pooed. Makes me larf a bit how defensive some folks are of their favourite tuner. Especially when in all reality they actually aren't tuners. Most of the people that come and go here are actually only amateur fitters of products not tuners. Time tells and money like sh*t smells and some of these up and comings go down smelling real bad. Its awful for those taken in but in a large percentage of cases they will not be told at all. I feel bad for all the TF casualties as I myself had pencilled them in my diary as a firm worthy of doing my manual conversion. There but for the grace and all that jazz

[uzthedentist]

I used to live only 15 minutes away from TF but I intentionally never used them.

 

This is some of their very shoddy work on member’s cars that I've seen. People make mistakes but these are not mistakes, just very amateurish and potentially dangerous work:

 

*Two different types of oil fittings welded together which subsequently leaked near the turbo..... (Almost went boom but luckily spotted by a TRAINED mechanic).

*Larger cams fitted but they didn’t know what the noise was - they hadn't done any shimming.

*Chopped off bolt used as a push rod in a clutch cylinder.

*Manual conversions not using OEM or correct size bolts.

*A bling PS reservoir was fitted to a member’s car and the PS system kept failing. TF tried 3 different PS pumps and then suggested his steering rack was shot. The member was talking to me at the time. I'm a technical numpty but even I know that when you do a PS fluid change and especially when you fit a bling PS reservoir, it's standard practice to make sure the gauze in the PS reservoir is clean and free from crap/metal bits - TF didn't do this!!

 

 

The TF people are nice guys, that’s why they have a large fan base. I've met them a few times. But come on people...wake up!

 

I remember during a Japshow, The TF car was next to Envy’s Car. Gaz lifted the bonnet and the TF crew’s faces were in shock! Obviously the Envy engine was done PROPERLY!

 

Another popular garage who was rectifying TF's work were forced to make the car owner sign a disclaimer because the TF work was so shoddy!

 

I warned a lot of members who I met including one of our mods.

 

 

off topic but wherabouts did u live im in great linford

[Clarkey]

What I find amusing is - Greg took a ganders at a members single turbo conversion by Phoenix and criticised it ... then turned round to another member who was having a single conversion done by TF

 

(paraphrasing) "Huh! We'll show them how a proper single conversion should be done!"

 

Turns out the member having the single conversion done had a BIG problems afterwards, more money had to be spent by the member and the car was trailed to Phoenix to fix. Which eventually it was.

 

I remember the thread about this and I also remember the fanboi flag waving. Funny how, by some - it's still happening.

[Robert]

What I find amusing is - Greg took a ganders at a members single turbo conversion by Phoenix ... then turned round to another member who was having a single conversion done by TF

 

(paraphrasing) "Huh! We'll show them how a proper single conversion should be done!"

 

Turns out the member having the single conversion done had a BIG problems afterwards, more money had to be spent by the member and the car was trailed to Phoenix to fix. Which eventually it was.

 

I remember the thread about this and I also remember the fanboi flag waving. Funny how it's still happening.

 

I remember that mate

[imi]

I remember that mate

 

same here buddy.

[Alex]

Yeah that was Burt's car with the Autronic SM4 and a BL T61...

...I couldn't believe the nerve of the guy to critisise that setup, it's a setup 99.999999% of us would be proud of. The alarm bells that incident rang

[Robert]

Yeah i remember talking to Burt about that on the phone, was a piss take to say the least as his car was perfect. I decided to go with the same place Burt used (Phoenix) to fit my single and i've never ever had a leak or problem with how the kit fits.

[supRo]

It's funny how leaks/bits falling off/blowing up are rectified and some members then think TF are gods when it was TF who botched it up in the first place! Lets see how long you stay best buddies!