Ric Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 http://srdtuning.com/shop/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=85 or more options for spec http://srdtuning.com/shop/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahim21 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 T56 every day. There's zero guarantee that a second hand box won't have issues once installed. I think everyone I have ever seen selling a gearbox says they are low mileage, no it really is... so you would want a moneyback guarantee from the sellver... which not many people would do unless it's from a legit company anyway. On a sidenote, I really like the look of that kit! A brand spanking new cutting edge Tremec T56 magnum, with huge parts availability. Nice. Where can I get a built auto for a grand??? ! I'm interested to know as well! Sent from my LG G5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parry_10 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) Hell, 6 grand?! Id get a built auto and pocket the 5 grand! Come on then swampy, where can we all buy one of this built auto boxes for a grand? Anyway we are on about manual gearboxes not autos;) Edited July 6, 2016 by Parry_10 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazuk Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 On a shitter I would say stick anything in it as others have said prices for 20year old Toyota boxes are silly plus if it needs a rebuild your looking at cost of the box again as the only place seems to be sending it to jacks in usa as they bought all the Toyota stock v160/v161 parts. I have seen your car mate and it's mint do you really want to be chopping around a original uk spec example like yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike2JZ Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 That T56 kit looks nice, but I hope they start introducing more road friendly clutches, all the paddle & multi plate clutches they offer current will probably make it a pig to drive in town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilkinson Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 I'd go with the T56 option. You use and enjoy your car. I can only see the T56 being a logical long term cost effective decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 T56 for me the v160 is a horrible thing to use imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Where can I get a built auto for a grand??? ! I'm interested to know as well! Come on then swampy, where can we all buy one of this built auto boxes for a grand? Steve Blackett in Hartlepool, he rebuilt the smashed Titan box I bought of Jamesy to 750 torques for under 700 quid. That was going back a few years. Got recommended to me by a guy from here, who's name escapes me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burna Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Also worth considering is the future of the car. As it's a UK spec and there's a little extra value in the car because of that, then moving it away from it's stock form will effect future value, even more so if a none OEM box is used. Just depends on how anal a future buyer could be further down the line in say, 10 to 20 years. Even a V160/1 fitted won't match the VIN. Just depends on what you wan't from the car, now and in the future, if you intend on being a very long term owner, or just enjoying driving the car in manual form for the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Supes Posted July 6, 2016 Author Share Posted July 6, 2016 That T56 kit looks nice, but I hope they start introducing more road friendly clutches, all the paddle & multi plate clutches they offer current will probably make it a pig to drive in town. Apparently the single plate clutch is good for 600bhp. I can't imagine it being too harsh. That being said, if I was too concerned about comfort, I'd keep the auto box. Also worth considering is the future of the car. As it's a UK spec and there's a little extra value in the car because of that, then moving it away from it's stock form will effect future value, even more so if a none OEM box is used. Just depends on how anal a future buyer could be further down the line in say, 10 to 20 years. Even a V160/1 fitted won't match the VIN. Just depends on what you wan't from the car, now and in the future, if you intend on being a very long term owner, or just enjoying driving the car in manual form for the next few years. On a shitter I would say stick anything in it as others have said prices for 20year old Toyota boxes are silly plus if it needs a rebuild your looking at cost of the box again as the only place seems to be sending it to jacks in usa as they bought all the Toyota stock v160/v161 parts. I have seen your car mate and it's mint do you really want to be chopping around a original uk spec example like yours. I've thought long and hard about not molesting the car and I've come to the conclusion: As long as it can be restored (undone) to it's original state e.g. no wide-body kits, then it gets a green light. I still have the original head unit, exhaust system and suspension. It would be time well spent completely restoring it should I ever lose the plot and sell up. - - - Updated - - - That T56 kit looks nice, but I hope they start introducing more road friendly clutches, all the paddle & multi plate clutches they offer current will probably make it a pig to drive in town. Apparently the single plate clutch is good for 600bhp. I can't imagine it being too harsh. That being said, if I was too concerned about comfort, I'd keep the auto box. Also worth considering is the future of the car. As it's a UK spec and there's a little extra value in the car because of that, then moving it away from it's stock form will effect future value, even more so if a none OEM box is used. Just depends on how anal a future buyer could be further down the line in say, 10 to 20 years. Even a V160/1 fitted won't match the VIN. Just depends on what you wan't from the car, now and in the future, if you intend on being a very long term owner, or just enjoying driving the car in manual form for the next few years. On a shitter I would say stick anything in it as others have said prices for 20year old Toyota boxes are silly plus if it needs a rebuild your looking at cost of the box again as the only place seems to be sending it to jacks in usa as they bought all the Toyota stock v160/v161 parts. I have seen your car mate and it's mint do you really want to be chopping around a original uk spec example like yours. I've thought long and hard about not molesting the car and I've come to the conclusion: As long as it can be restored (undone) to it's original state e.g. no wide-body kits, then it gets a green light. I still have the original head unit, exhaust system and suspension. It would be time well spent completely restoring it should I ever lose the plot and sell up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Have you driven anything with a T56 Magnum in it? the boxes are dated in design, and agricultural. Not a patch on Getrags, even though the 160 is also a bit of a truck like thing. The Yanks are years behind the Krauts with transmissions. I would urge you to spend an hour with a calculator and look at the ratio options of a T56 Magnum versus the MKIV available diff ratios for the large case units. A quick dabble showed they were not a marriage made in heaven. The BMW diesel boxes are also of far from ideal, ratio wise. Unless you feel the OE Getrag is not up to handling the torque of your engine I still think it's a well developed and simple option, even at the crazy money they fetch. Also be sure to work out just where the gear lever ends up with a T56.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Supes Posted July 6, 2016 Author Share Posted July 6, 2016 Have you driven anything with a T56 Magnum in it? the boxes are dated in design, and agricultural. Not a patch on Getrags, even though the 160 is also a bit of a truck like thing. The Yanks are years behind the Krauts with transmissions. I would urge you to spend an hour with a calculator and look at the ratio options of a T56 Magnum versus the MKIV available diff ratios for the large case units. A quick dabble showed they were not a marriage made in heaven. The BMW diesel boxes are also of far from ideal, ratio wise. Unless you feel the OE Getrag is not up to handling the torque of your engine I still think it's a well developed and simple option, even at the crazy money they fetch. Also be sure to work out just where the gear lever ends up with a T56.... I haven't driven anything with the T56, neither have I operated a v160 or v161. I can only go on word of mouth and car reviews, but it has to be said, I have yet to see any reviews where the T56 is being slated. A lot of people seem to be praising it. Regarding diff ratios, I am currently looking at options, but either a US spec auto diff thrown in the box or an NA diff until it pops (although I don't visit the drag strip) should bring the T56 more in alignment with the V160. Looking at the pictures in the link in my first post, the gearstick position looks spot on. The v160/v161 would be able to handle what I'd be throwing at it with ease, but that's not to say it hasn't had a crunchtastic life being in the wrong hands. All it would take is a knackered syncro and it's good night. This is what really concerns me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Have you driven anything with a T56 Magnum in it? the boxes are dated in design, and agricultural. Not a patch on Getrags, even though the 160 is also a bit of a truck like thing. The Yanks are years behind the Krauts with transmissions. I would urge you to spend an hour with a calculator and look at the ratio options of a T56 Magnum versus the MKIV available diff ratios for the large case units. A quick dabble showed they were not a marriage made in heaven. The BMW diesel boxes are also of far from ideal, ratio wise. Unless you feel the OE Getrag is not up to handling the torque of your engine I still think it's a well developed and simple option, even at the crazy money they fetch. Also be sure to work out just where the gear lever ends up with a T56.... Fairly surprised by this post. Even when new, the shift quality on the Supras Getrag gearbox wasn't praised, yet every review I read of cars equipped with the tremec have only good things to say. But I'm especially surprised that you would choose a 20 year old, used gearbox over a brand new one, which has double the factory torque rating of the Getrag v160. *if* they put the boxes back into production, then the Getrag would still be the ideal choice. But paying £4k for a used gearbox, one that has a known shortage of parts, and are often subjected to very heavy use, just seems like madness. As for the ratios, the Magnum is very well supported by the tuning industry, and many gearsets are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdale Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Can anyone shed any light on available diff ratios? That link suggests aiming for around 4 and then says that he uses a 4.7 with no explanation as to what diff this is..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Interesting thread as I'm in a similar dilemma. I have driven a couple of cars with the T56 and can confirm what CW says, they are quite clunky and don't have the best throw, but I wouldn't say they're significantly more agricultural than a used V160. The BMW option is the one I'm waiting to hear more about, specifically from how Jamie gets on with his one. Can anyone shed any light on available diff ratios? That link suggests aiming for around 4 and then says that he uses a 4.7 with no explanation as to what diff this is..? If you can use Excel there's a document here which shows the stock options and how they impact gearing and speed: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?225050-Supra-specific-gear-diff-ratio-and-tyre-size-calculator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Out of interest, I wonder if the R34 GTR guys are suffering the same problems? As that's the only other factory car that uses the V160. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Out of interest, I wonder if the R34 GTR guys are suffering the same problems? As that's the only other factory car that uses the V160. Didn't know a rb could develop enough torque to worry a v160 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Supes Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) I've made the decision... I'm buying a manual car and keeping the Supra unmolested. Edited July 23, 2016 by Big Supes (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodalmighty Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) I have the Tremec mg9 (tr6060/magnum hybrid) going in mine. With the twin plate ram clutch/ billet flywheel kit handled 1050 bhp and about the same torque in Craig's 6.9 tt rx7. Definitely the way forward for Supras. Edited July 20, 2016 by Nodalmighty (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_jms Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Hi guys, sorry to hijack it. However what options are available for someone wanting to go manual? I too want to go v160 but worried about how old the boxes are and parts no longer around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Supes Posted July 23, 2016 Author Share Posted July 23, 2016 Personally, I would go the 420g route. Spending 5+k on a v160 or any other conversion is just insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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