Rich.2211 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 With regard to the NA vs EP3 Type R debate.. I had a 20-100mph drag in my previous NA with a friends Astra Gsi mk4 (lightly modified, cat back exhaust, pre-cat removed, circa 205bhp?) and we were literally neck and neck. It could not of been more evenly matched if we had tried. I think the Astra Gsi would be on par with a stock EP3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slutters Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Where abouts in Lincs are you? I have a Single 6 speed that I could take you for a ride in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbt Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Where abouts in Lincs are you? I have a Single 6 speed that I could take you for a ride in. Please let him drive an n/a and a TT first before you expose him to a single Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaheer0027 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 na is good introduction or if you on a budget. definately needs more oomph tbh. im biased though as my daily driver for many years was a 2002 yamaha r1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Supes Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 If you're more of a slow 'n steady driver, go for a NA.... but, if you're not, it will only have you doing the buckaroo in your seat as you're being pushed down the road by the majority of sports cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 If you're more of a slow 'n steady driver, go for a NA.... but, if you're not, it will only have you doing the buckaroo in your seat as you're being pushed down the road by the majority of sports cars. I still find if you do 130 ish mph they are not too fussed about overtaking anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Supes Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 I still find if you do 130 ish mph they are not too fussed about overtaking anyway. Yeah, it's the getting to the 130mph that becomes problematic under the circumstances. I loved my old NA, but she did definitely had no sense of urgency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Yeah, it's the getting to the 130mph that becomes problematic under the circumstances. I loved my old NA, but she did definitely had no sense of urgency. That's why I am a downhill demon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Supes Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Must resist NA/downhill jokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Yeah, it's the getting to the 130mph that becomes problematic under the circumstances. I loved my old NA, but she did definitely had no sense of urgency. My NA must of been a beast I never had a problem getting to speed or maintaining it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Supes Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 My NA must of been a beast I never had a problem getting to speed or maintaining it I never had any problems in general, but trying to get there with a moderately-fast sports car stuck to my behind used to get frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignum Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Ive done all 3, ie n/a, tt and single, obviously i love my current setup especially on the track as there`s not many other cars to worry about, but tbh for the money my n/a was great fun and really chuckable with a sub 9 minute lap @ the ring its not to be sniffed at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Ive done all 3, ie n/a, tt and single, obviously i love my current setup especially on the track as there`s not many other cars to worry about, but tbh for the money my n/a was great fun and really chuckable with a sub 9 minute lap @ the ring its not to be sniffed at. Any Video of that run at the ring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider1980 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 After driving both an NA and a TT, I gotta be honest a TT is great especially when tuned BPU with near 400bhp and doing 0-60 in 3.5 secs and when you want to obliterate another car but in the NA's defence by no means is it a slow car, it is still a 3ltr after all and does 0-60 in 6.5 seconds, in the end of the day its up to you and how you feel with the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippyboyo1 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 (edited) My NA must of been a beast I never had a problem getting to speed or maintaining it It's apparent me, al and big num are the only ones here who are not on crack. You guys who come out with comments like "over taking is an issue" etc are the only ones with issues. Are you taking about the na auto? You must be or you simply have no idea how to drive the na. I'll say it again i chose an na, not as I could not afford anything else, simply as I was sick to death of my other 400bhp plus cars having turbo issues etc so budget is not a factor at all. I've also done countless track days and never felt I need more power or been passed by "hot hatches" Another stupid comment is a hot hatch will leave an na on the twisties? What on earth are you talking about? I'm faster in my supra in the bends than any hot hatch I've drove so you simply can't drive guys I'm afraid. V fustrating reading rubbish untrue comments that are miss leading to new members, I'm glad the people in question were not around when I was looking for a supra. I've parked my car next to lots of single and twin turbo supras and not once have I ever felt like "one day I'll have one of those" or "I'd swop mine for that" as I 100% would not. Its a shame such bad untrue advice is being given out here and I feel sorry for anyone who reads this and takes it as true Edited December 31, 2013 by skippyboyo1 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippyboyo1 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 (edited) Just a few pics for the plonkers... That is Cadwell park in my supra totaly standard, behind me is my mates fq300 which could not touch me all day, for the haters my mates a good driver but we swoped and I couldn't catch him driving my supra I wasn't the highest bhp car there but I can tell you nothing passed me that day even when I was just having a mess around. If anything came up behind me on the straights id just outbrake them. Yes the turbo is faster yes a single is faster but does that mean there better? It all depends on the person. I don't mind letting anyone come see my car if you think the na is that bad. Edited December 31, 2013 by skippyboyo1 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 If anything, that just goes to show how bad the Evo X is. Any iteration of Lancer Evolution would have given a stock NA Supra a pasting if driven well. I dare say an NA could be much improved with some choice suspension/transmission mods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Supes Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Track days is a whole different argument. Normally, people don't drive on public roads as they do on a race track. Sure, the NA handles well and can be competitive, but in relation to normal road use (what I gathered the OP was referring to), it will get shown up by moderately-fast (at best) sports cars in terms of power/acceleration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 It's apparent me, al and big num are the only ones here who are not on crack. You guys who come out with comments like "over taking is an issue" etc are the only ones with issues. Are you taking about the na auto? You must be or you simply have no idea how to drive the na. I'll say it again i chose an na, not as I could not afford anything else, simply as I was sick to death of my other 400bhp plus cars having turbo issues etc so budget is not a factor at all. I've also done countless track days and never felt I need more power or been passed by "hot hatches" Another stupid comment is a hot hatch will leave an na on the twisties? What on earth are you talking about? I'm faster in my supra in the bends than any hot hatch I've drove so you simply can't drive guys I'm afraid. V fustrating reading rubbish untrue comments that are miss leading to new members, I'm glad the people in question were not around when I was looking for a supra. I've parked my car next to lots of single and twin turbo supras and not once have I ever felt like "one day I'll have one of those" or "I'd swop mine for that" as I 100% would not. Its a shame such bad untrue advice is being given out here and I feel sorry for anyone who reads this and takes it as true Would you swap if you could get a TT with indestructible turbos? Would you want any more power, or is the NA power enough for your needs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 It's apparent me, al and big num are the only ones here who are not on crack. You guys who come out with comments like "over taking is an issue" etc are the only ones with issues. Are you taking about the na auto? You must be or you simply have no idea how to drive the na. I'll say it again i chose an na, not as I could not afford anything else, simply as I was sick to death of my other 400bhp plus cars having turbo issues etc so budget is not a factor at all. I've also done countless track days and never felt I need more power or been passed by "hot hatches" Another stupid comment is a hot hatch will leave an na on the twisties? What on earth are you talking about? I'm faster in my supra in the bends than any hot hatch I've drove so you simply can't drive guys I'm afraid. V fustrating reading rubbish untrue comments that are miss leading to new members, I'm glad the people in question were not around when I was looking for a supra. I've parked my car next to lots of single and twin turbo supras and not once have I ever felt like "one day I'll have one of those" or "I'd swop mine for that" as I 100% would not. Its a shame such bad untrue advice is being given out here and I feel sorry for anyone who reads this and takes it as true Very great post!!! Track days is a whole different argument. Normally, people don't drive on public roads as they do on a race track. Sure, the NA handles well and can be competitive, but in relation to normal road use (what I gathered the OP was referring to), it will get shown up by moderately-fast (at best) sports cars in terms of power/acceleration. Name one? As said I have never ever been beaten by a hot hatch or sports car never! My car out pulled a hell of a lot. The power, torque and speed I had was never touched by another car. I'm not ashamed of my NA and it's lack of turbos at all. Think the NA owners who think they are slow need to learn how to use the accelerator!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 I don't think NA's are all that slow, I have had a blast about with a Legnum which has around 300 bhp and there was not that much in it, and I had a passenger too. If you choose the right gear say 2nd at 30mph and 3rd at 60 it pulls quite well to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Supes Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Name one? As said I have never ever been beaten by a hot hatch or sports car never! My car out pulled a hell of a lot. The power, torque and speed I had was never touched by another car. I'm not ashamed of my NA and it's lack of turbos at all. Think the NA owners who think they are slow need to learn how to use the accelerator!!!! Providing we're not talking about a complete retard here, there's no hidden trick as to selecting the appropriate gear, planting the accelerator and shifting when the power curve has peaked. My NA ran like a dream, but I couldn't shake type r civics, seat leons, moderately tuned Renault 5 GTT's, etc on public roads. I wouldn't even start talking about going up against M3's. I'm not one to bash the NA's... a Supra is still a Supra, but I just can't bring myself to say they're quick in common street scenarios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Providing we're not talking about a complete retard here, there's no hidden trick as to selecting the appropriate gear, planting the accelerator and shifting when the power curve has peaked. My NA ran like a dream, but I couldn't shake type r civics, seat leons, moderately tuned Renault 5 GTT's, etc on public roads. I wouldn't even start talking about going up against M3's. I'm not one to bash the NA's... a Supra is still a Supra, but I just can't bring myself to say they're quick in common street scenarios. There is no trick that's the point. Maybe some NA's lost too many ponies but as said by a few on here civics weren't a match I gave everything I had and the supe gave everything too and it ran well Maybe my mods let me go that extra bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignum Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Any Video of that run at the ring? Just for you sir, also bare in mind this was on road tyres not r888`s or slicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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