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But isn't that what Suarez has been punished for, the actual offence and not the intent? A lot of people have said the cultural and language differences shouldn't matter but they do - they're having a huge bearing on whether any intent was there

Agreed with the above, if it's for posing mainly then I wouldn't get the Supra. If you don't mind the bills then a 348/355. Quite a few nice titanium internals in the 355!

Agreed that we'll go in circles so i'm not gonna say much more. It honestly has nothing to do with him being a Liverpool player which is why i've tried to point out that, being a victim of abuse and attacks before, I know what it's like. If Suarez was racist, he'd be out the club, similar to Hutchinson when he brought shame. I've seen the ruling comments but the could also be applied to what John Terry's claiming or I could claim. Imagine the following conversation, it can't have quite the same effect as I can't swear on here but I'll use the word SWEAR instead. me: you dived you SWEAR you: SWEAR you, you're a SWEAR. You called me a negrito too! me: No i didn't call you a SWEAR negrito you SWEAR. 1. I've insulted you 2. My insulting words could be argued to contain a reference to colour. By saying you're not calling someone something, you are still making a reference to their colour. Back to what I said earlier, under the whole thing, should Alan Hansen now be sacked for using racist terms then? He used what is apparently (and news to me) a racist term but he didn't mean it in an offensive way. Its slightly different to Suarez as he was arguing with Evra whereas Hansen isn't arguing, but the "offence" is still the same

It's not about choosing what you want to hear, if there was a soundbite or video of Suarez saying something meant in a racist way, i'm sure the views would be different. Or if it didn't happen to be a Manchester United player accusing a Liverpool player or vice versa. In reference to if you were being quoted wrongly, if you were speaking in a foreign language and made a reference to the colour of my shirt and i though you said skin, i could easily argue a context there and you'd have to prove i've quoted you wrongly. I agree with you about the knowledge of the QC's but i don't believe that the FA have not gotten involved in this. If they'd found him not guilty, a whole load of people would then be on about how the FA don't treat racism seriously etc etc. The FA were always going to have a problem with a ruling. Personally I believe they just wanted to find him guilty as it would be the easiest solution for them. Calling someone "south american" is not automatically a racial slur, neither is saying "negrito". But if it's putting a spin on it (as they think Suarez did) then it can become prejudicial. By not acting on Evra's comments about where Suarez is from, the FA are therefore defining that isn't racist but skin colour is. Last time i checked, there isn't an accepted definition of racism but racial discrimination. That includes references colour and origin.

Didn't Ibrar's old black car have OIL in the reg? Thought that went abroard though after Wayney sold it

That's not any proof at all though. It's purely Evra's interpretation of what Suarez was trying to say. You could use the word black or coloured in a sentence in a foreign language and i could interpret it differently. Or an American could come over and accuse everyone for homophobia when they said they "wanted to light up a fag". In this case, the FA are having to define what racism actually is. Suarez admitted using the "negrito" word but to him and his culture, that's not offensive and Liverpool believe that he did not mean it like that. No one's charged Evra with a slur about Suarez being "south american". Why not?

I think that's exactly what Liverpool think though, that Evra is a liar. He didn't report it to the referee during the game, he reported it to the French TV and then the referee after the game. Who might have been in his ear between the final whistle and the time he reported it? His previous claims against the Chelsea groundsman and Finnan (another Liverpool player) were both thrown out, the latter showing it's not the first time he's claimed something against Liverpool while being at Man United. In other walks of life, people are very quick to complain about the race card being used. It seems Liverpool are simply believing that this is one of those cases and it will have a devastating blow on their season. I could easily claim that you, Johnny G used a racist term against me and you would have a tough time to PROVE that you didn't. How can you PROVE that you didn't do something? I once had a similar experience where a mate found coke in her boyfriend's pocket, when questioned he said he'd got it from me. What defence would i have? "Oh that isn't mine?". Any prosecutor would then say that's the exact defence a guilty person would have too.

But then how long do you give this "education"? 1 week? A month? Should the FA be banning Javier Hernandez too? He also openly used the negrito word and no one battered an eyelid. His quote was "Me gustó mucho el gol del Negrito". I don't think it's hard to understand Liverpool's stance - they obviously believe Suarez didn't mean what was said in an offensive way and the FA's ruling is going to lead to him being branded a racist for life. The handball thing has also come up a few times, question though. It's the world cup final and an England player does something similar and England go on to win the World Cup. How many England fans would then treat that player with disgust to how many would say hes a hero. Similar incident to Phil Jones playing for England against Montegro i think, he got a touch and went down very very softly which led to the commentator saying "he's learning very quickly". Double standards? If that was Suarez or Ronaldo, he'd be torn apart. How does this show lack of respect? They were told by the FA after the charges were made to be quiet so they couldn't do much at all. To all of you above, will you now also join the chorus wanting Alan Hansen sacked for referring to black people as "coloured"? 5 years ago, that was probably the PC word of choice but now it's racist too?

I'm not gonna pay too much attention to this thread as it will probably end up being a Liverpool V Everton/Man United thing. I'll add first of all that i'm a dark/brown/whatever person and have been racially attacked in the past. Suarez admitted using the word Negrito which, from all i've read about in Spanish speaking cultures especially South America, means "black" and is an accepted (and some say friendly) term for a person of colour. This is what his defence was, that it was not meant in a racially provocative way. Apparently Evra had said to Suarez first "You're South American" and Suarez's reply was "You're black". obviously all in Spanish. So you had a Frenchman talking in and interpretating Spanish and drawing his own conclusions. Again, from what i've heard, this is what Suarez was on about his Man United team-mates calling him. As Liverpool have stated, is Evra's statement possibly racist also? Points have also been made about how Suarez himself has a coloured granddad, doesn't mean it's impossible that he's racist but makes it more unlikely. Don't forget one of Suarez's team-mates, Maxi Pereira, is "affectionately" nicknamed "El Mono" - "The Monkey". That part of the world seem to be more relaxed with the political correctness side of things but that doesn't make it racist. Hell, people are now saying Liverpool are racist as they used the term "black" themselves. In that case, should i be offended when someone calls me a "brown person"? What do you call me then? Part of the issue with Luis is that he'd only been in the country 10 months by that time, he still can't speak English either. Also, this is now the third time that Evra has cried racism, as far as i'm aware, there were no witnesses in the other 2 cases either. Liverpool also stated that The FA have been very quick to praise themselves "in light of Sepp Blatter's remarks" so it seemed they wanted to give FIFA another dig to show how they should handle racism. You may say that i'll be biased because i'm a red but i'm also a non-white. To add, John Terry's case will be slightly different as they're both native English and that's their first language. He's appearing before a magistrate on 1st Feb and rumour has it is looking at a 14 game ban

Had this recently with TMobile, got a bill for about £240 and insurance documents for a phone. They were quite good with dealing with it, police logged it.

Mine fit's width ways (with about a foot's gap to open the door so i've got a sponge on the wall to cushion the door edge). It was 1/2 inch too long though so the garage door wouldn't close fully. Ended up getting an external fitted electronic roller door so now *just* fits but is protected from the winter

In case anyone missed it the first time, extended cut of it on ITV4 now

I reckon he beat Havard on the Xbox and this was his punishment

The guy even asked the train conductor who said yes. It's this kind of attitude that encourages the scum to even try things like that. Would Mr natony have the same attitude if his car was being vandalised and the big guy stopped the lad?

One of Ibrar's low level ones I think

Cheers dude

Anyone know what time Khan's on? With it being in Washington, will it be a midnight start or 2am?

I don't get the rule either, my mate's mum was threatened with being arrested after leisure centre staff called the police when she took a picture of her kid jumping off a diving board. If you're out at a tourist attraction, is it then "illegal" if a kid wanders in the background of your photo as you're stood next to the Leaning Tower of Pisa or something?

Wasn't a girl done for eating an apple whilst driving? From what I remember, there were 2 sides to that story. One being that she was innocently eating an apple, the other being that she was driving like a loon at the same time. I'd hate drinking a bottle of water whilst driving to be made illegal but I imagine if smoking was banned then that would be too. One reason I'd like to see smoking banned in the car is the sheer number of people who throw their fag ends out of the window onto the road, or as in my case, onto my car as I'm behind them!

Yeah i'd read a few things about that which put me off. I don't use a lot of jailbreak apps, most just a few nice features which may be on IOS5 for all i know (e.g. tap to unlock)

Looking at the iPhone 4s and just wondering which programme you friendly lot used to jailbreak without it all going horribly wrong

Few upgrades planned here too

There is no spoon

Had this exact same issue and as a few others said, it has to have an MOT and be taxed. Had a few conversations over the phone and in person with the DVLA about it. Was told I could fill out a plate transfer form and it would be rejected, and then I could launch an appeal which would have very little chance of working. I went about it another way, PM'd

I doubt Gary Speed was asking for sympathy from anyone, seems like something bothered him so much that he didn't want to be around. Sympathy goes to his family completely, the sympathy i'd have with Speed was that he was obviously very unhappy and chose what he chose. People may say it's selfish of him to do that to his family but, as above, his mental state might have been all over the place. It doesn't matter if he was a football player or a cook, he seemed to be a very nice guy all around. RIP