Kendo11 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Have asked for proof about turkey & ypg, I'll post up when I see some, nothing concrete yet though. Can't bring myself to watch rt mate, I see what you're saying though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kendo11 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Reuters now reporting the passports were fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 I doubt it'll be a surprise, the illegal passport trade must be rife on the migration trails into Europe. I wonder how they can verify Syrians details when they're applying for asylum? One assumes the Syrian civil service probably isn't doing much at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Have people stopped saying we should shut the borders and blaming this all on refugees yet? All of the people identified and suspects arrested so far? French. ISIS/Da'esh aren't even particularly religious (http://www.thenation.com/article/what-i-discovered-from-interviewing-isis-prisoners/). Yes they'll vaguely claim that they're fighting for Islam, but it's bollocks, their intention is merely to incite more racial hatred and divide. Guess what you're doing by re-sharing all these posts on social media? Yup perpetuating their cause. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 They've been forcing Yarzidi's to convert to Islam under the threat of a horrific death. They force everyone under their influence to live by the most barbaric religious laws. They don't differentiate between religion and politics, to them it is one and the same. As is the way with all religious zealots, they willingly overlook the fact that they themselves are breaking their own laws because it is for the 'greater good' (the greater good) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I doubt it'll be a surprise, the illegal passport trade must be rife on the migration trails into Europe. I wonder how they can verify Syrians details when they're applying for asylum? One assumes the Syrian civil service probably isn't doing much at the moment. I can go on Facebook now and order us all a fake Syrian passport if you like. Something like £100 each. Like you say not surprising and possibly rife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 They've been forcing Yarzidi's to convert to Islam under the threat of a horrific death. They force everyone under their influence to live by the most barbaric religious laws. They don't differentiate between religion and politics, to them it is one and the same. As is the way with all religious zealots, they willingly overlook the fact that they themselves are breaking their own laws because it is for the 'greater good' (the greater good) The groups that liberated Sanjir over the past week have discovered a mass grave (100+) of Yazidi women and girls. Absolutely barbaric but it's what they do. It's why the west must separate them and see them for the sub human creatures they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 The groups that liberated Sanjir over the past week have discovered a mass grave (100+) of Yazidi women and girls. Absolutely barbaric but it's what they do. It's why the west must separate them and see them for the sub human creatures they are. "sub human" is an accurate description and by hook or by crook this must be stopped, nevertheless, from personal experience I can confirm that similar means of control happens in discreet forms here in U.K. https://www.change.org/p/tom-pursglove-public-enquiry-into-civil-services-use-of-gas-chambers-and-sleep-deprivation-torture?recruiter=366287524&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_responsive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Oh, for God's sake, How many signatures has it elicited? 21.... I'd give up on that, lost cause. In the present context it's poor taste to ramp this up again, at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 ^^ agree. Obama has just pretty much put to bed the idea of US troops going in on the ground which you'd presume would mean the same for us and France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 France have declared war on ISIS now http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34836439 I'll be the first person to admit that I am not as clued up about this whole mess as I'd like to be. But can't help think we are knocking on the door of WW3 at this rate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 I suspect what Hollande actually means is a few token extra bombs to keep his poll ratings from collapse. If he were serious, he would be suggesting a full scale ground war, something France is ill equipped for. They are, of course able to invoke Article 5 of NATO - Collective Defence - just as the USA did in the wake of 9/11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I suspect what Hollande actually means is a few token extra bombs to keep his poll ratings from collapse. If he were serious, he would be suggesting a full scale ground war, something France is ill equipped for. They are, of course able to invoke Article 5 of NATO - Collective Defence - just as the USA did in the wake of 9/11. Exactly that. Like last night for example bombing Raqqa, supported by US Intel (on the ground maybe). Of course the question is why if these targets were known why weren't they taken out before, but there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Of course the question is why if these targets were known why weren't they taken out before, but there you go. Its a complete farce. According to Einstein the definition of Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. We have waged Bush's and Blair's war against terrorism for 20 years and where did it get us = in a far more dangerous place than before. Perhaps someone can help educate me on why we care so much about Kuwaitis as per my post here.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Its a complete farce. According to Einstein the definition of Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. We have waged Bush's and Blair's war against terrorism for 20 years and where did it get us = in a far more dangerous place than before. Perhaps someone can help educate me on why we care so much about Kuwaitis as per my post here.. Multiple choice answer in my opinion. Main answer would be to assert control over the region and prevent Saddam from getting confident enough to then attack Saudi, a key ally for the US. Then you've got humanitarian reasons, and it might have had something to do with oil. But mostly territorial, imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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imi Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 https://www.facebook.com/theprojecttv/videos/10153243154568441 Interesting Video - worth the watch - think the French are playing right into their hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Incredible strength of character to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 https://www.facebook.com/theprojecttv/videos/10153243154568441[/url] Interesting Video - worth the watch - think the French are playing right into their hands. Seems to be going viral now. Very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 This is also a very good article. Lots more insights out there into their inner workings. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/16/isis-bombs-hostage-syria-islamic-state-paris-attacks?CMP=share_btn_tw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 Quite a good article and Video http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/8569550 We must have a load of surplus recon vehicles left over from Iraq/Afghanistan we could supply them with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cered Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 It's gone to the point now where's always going to be terrorism, particular when world powers play chess or experiment with other countries. The US and Russia made a right mess of the middle East. Iirc Iraq and Afghanistan in the 60s/70s was a very modern, cultured and "westernised" place. I actually think my grandfather took a holiday to Afghanistan at some point during that time. We killed off Al Qaeda, Taliban and now working on Daesh... Who's going to be the next terrorist group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Agreed Cered unfortunately. It's a war that cannot and will not be won. The West can't give up but you can't help thinking we need a rethink. Would be interested to know how many men who've watched their families burn as a result of off target air strikes have been tempted by Daesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Putin has just told a Syria Briefing that he has instructed his forces in the area to make contact immediately with the French forces over there and treat them as allies. Coming in from the cold maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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