Alex Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 ECU: Motec M600 Year : 1993 Man/Auto : Manual conversion Mods : 720cc injectors, BL T71gtq and a few other bits (Check garage) Power/Torque: 622hp @ 1.4bar (with a pressure leak in the turbo) Link to dynomap: http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~shemesh/SSR%20622hp.jpg Mapped By: Owen dev./ Dave Rowe / Dan Turner have all had their hands on it. Can you just specify who had it last and got the 622?? In fact are you able to break this down further and say what each one did/got? And did you have an AEM before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 ECU: Motec M600 Year : 2000 Man/Auto : Manual Mods : 800cc injectors, PHR GT60, Other stuff Power/Torque: 521.9BHP @ 1.4bar. 495 torques Link to dynomap: Here Mapped By: Dan Turner (The above is out of date because I now have a different turbo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Year : 1996 Man/Auto : Manual Mods : 1000cc injectors, GT2835s and lots of other stuff Power/Torque : 679hp at 1.5 bar (SRR)/ Unsure on the torque for mo Link to dynomap : Not available Mapped By: Paul Whiffin (road mapped) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Can you just specify who had it last and got the 622?? In fact are you able to break this down further and say what each one did/got? And did you have an AEM before? Owen Dev and Dave Rowe - unknown BHP figure, CJ would be the one to ask. Also keep in mind that when both of them worked on the car it was an auto with the BL box. Dan Turner did my mapping sessions during my last slew of mods. He is responsible for the figure of 622. There was still a bit more to do though as there was a pressure leak on the turbo that I did not know about until the whole system was pressure tested a few days after that dyno run was done. I suspect that was the reason for my higher than normal EGT's that I was trying to diagnose. The map was a bit rich because of that and after the seal was fixed she needed a tweak on the map to compensate. I never made it to my next mapping session as most of you know. I have never owned an AEM ECU. The only AEM product that I have was the C2Di and it ended up costing me three times the value of the unit to get it installed and working. Never again.. I have had an HKS FCON in my previous car and that was faultless apart from the extortionate fees to get it mapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 ECU: Motec M600 Year : 1997 Man/Auto : Manual Mods : 850cc injectors, built engine, PT67DBB turbo Power/Torque: 625BHP, 496lbft Link to dynomap: Haven't scanned it yet! Mapped By: Owen Developments (Mark Harrison) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gord R Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 I would highly recommend Steve Simpson @ TEG He mapped mine and did a very good job, i know he has done a few high power supras on AEM as well, his main business is he maps for alot of the rally teams and flys around the world mapping. Anyway he has a rolling road setup in Carnforth near Lancaster. I have his details if needed Mike Agree with Mike. I have used Steve alot and have good friends at Teg Sport. Hes got a hell of a lot of experience and works with some big name rally teams- The facilities at teg sport are also very nice. Also can recommend the guys at Owen - seem very clued up on motec - and they offer one of the best services iv ever experienced - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 ECU : AEM Year : 1996 Man/Auto : Manual Mods : 650cc PE injectors, stock engine, PHR Stage 1, cast manifold Power/Torque: 510BHP, 500lbft Link to dynomap: SRR Dyno Mapped By: Pat Comments : AEM was my second mod after the exhaust, I read the aem foums for a long time before installing and made sure that when I installed it I upgraded the firmware and recalibrated the basemaps for the 440cc stock injectors, once this was done it started first time and myself and pat mapped it on the stock tubbies. I then moved onto the PHR stage 1 at a later stage and upgraded the firmware again. Bang for buck the AEM has been one of the best mods on the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 I think we should pull these snippets out into another thread or sticky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 I think we should pull these snippets out into another thread or sticky. what would you like it called and where do you want me to put it? JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 what would you like it called and where do you want me to put it? JB oh err misses maybe something like ECU/Setup comparisons but some where visable, its a tricky one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Apparently he misses quite often, must be an age thing Wez, don't blame yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 ECU : AEM Year : 1993 Man/Auto : Manual Mods : 1000cc PE injectors, stock engine, Blitz K5-660R single, HKS Manifold Power/Torque: 521BHP at 1.2bar but not finished Link to dynomap: Not available Mapped By: Dan Tuner AEM was chosen to replace the HKS F-Con simply because I didn't get on with the HKS mapper I saw and I disagree with the HKS password protecting policy. So far the AEM seems fine, I like the AEMPro software and have tweaked it myself a number of times. The documentation that comes with the AEM is very good. Also, for reference this is for my MR2 Turbo ECU : AEM Year : 1989 Man/Auto : Manual Mods : 800cc SARD injectors, built engine, Owens Stage 5 custom CT26 hybrid, Power/Torque: dont know yet Link to dynomap: Mapped By: TBA Fitted the injectors myself and then the AEM plus AEM IAT and MAP sensors. No real issues, injector drivers were there and I have the car starting and idling. Base ignition map supplied by AEM is awfully advanced so haven't used that. Next step is to tidy up what I've done and get it ready for mapping. Thus far I am happy with AEM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Apparently he misses quite often, must be an age thing Wez, don't blame yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 AEM was chosen to replace the HKS F-Con simply because I didn't get on with the HKS mapper I saw and I disagree with the HKS password protecting policy. Thus far I am happy with AEM Exactly the same for me. I also didn't want a system where the stock ecu was being fudged and effectively sent inaccurate information in order to try and make it do what we want it to. Only part of the equation I am not liking is the AEMs problems with controlling the auto box but I was aware of these issues before I started. I was tempted to run the box from the stock ecu and the engine from the AEM but that would have been a helluva lot of messing around. Long term I will be better replacing the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Exactly the same for me. I also didn't want a system where the stock ecu was being fudged and effectively sent inaccurate information in order to try and make it do what we want it to. Only part of the equation I am not liking is the AEMs problems with controlling the auto box but I was aware of these issues before I started. I was tempted to run the box from the stock ecu and the engine from the AEM but that would have been a helluva lot of messing around. Long term I will be better replacing the box. Which version of the Fcon are you talking about please? The Fcon V Pro is a full standalone. The Fcon S is piggyback only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I once saw talk of an ecu to soley control and re map the auto box, does anyone have any details on it? The idea being something like a Motec would do the engine functions, and this other box would enable you to map the auto box functions. Sadly i don't know what signals the auto box part of the stock ecu uses, and how. I presume crank speed, gearbox output shaft speed, some sort of load signalling and "other stuff"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 To quote from HKS website The HKS F-CON V Pro is a fully featured standalone engine management system that connects as easily as a "piggy-back" fuel and timing controller. As modifications to a vehicle are made, the need for fuel and timing Pretty sure my stock ecu was in with the F-Con V-Pro, but never really investigated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 To quote from HKS website The HKS F-CON V Pro is a fully featured standalone engine management system that connects as easily as a "piggy-back" fuel and timing controller. As modifications to a vehicle are made, the need for fuel and timing Pretty sure my stock ecu was in with the F-Con V-Pro, but never really investigated. You can use the V Pro as a piggyback but it's more than capable of being a stand alone...usually and I think sensibly, you leave the stock ECU to control the A/C/gearbox etc....but the V Pro runs the ignition and injectors directly, no signal fudging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 To quote from HKS website The HKS F-CON V Pro is a fully featured standalone engine management system that connects as easily as a "piggy-back" fuel and timing controller. As modifications to a vehicle are made, the need for fuel and timing Pretty sure my stock ecu was in with the F-Con V-Pro, but never really investigated. The stock ECU is left in with the F-con Pro V install, but the F-con completely controls the fueling and ignition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Last time I spoke with Owen Developments (they are HKS recognised etc) they were not recommending the F-Con on the Soop Whether A.Only to the autos due to the problems with timing retardation or, B Due to their desire to sell and recommend Motec systems I dont know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I have seen loads of F Con V Pros in MKIV's, but I have never seen one used without the stock ecu being also wired in, even on manuals. the FCON's also seemed to have had VERY few wires going into them, so what the hell they actually were doing I don't know... Has ANYONE got a MKIV on an FCON without the stock ecu being in the car (and that runs...)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I thought MikeB had a standalone FCON with some funky in car controls for ign timing etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Mike B has the best known install. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkirby Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I have seen loads of F Con V Pros in MKIV's, but I have never seen one used without the stock ecu being also wired in, even on manuals. the FCON's also seemed to have had VERY few wires going into them, so what the hell they actually were doing I don't know... Has ANYONE got a MKIV on an FCON without the stock ecu being in the car (and that runs...)? the Fcon vpro is a pure piggyback ecu, granted its a very good piggy back ecu but you have to use the oem ecu to control the rest of the cars functions, all the fcon does is the ignition and fueling, i think you can add a couple of sensors on to do more like the knock sensor etc Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 the Fcon is a pure piggyback ecu, granted its a very good piggy back ecu but you have to use the oem ecu to control the rest of the cars functions, all the fcon does is the ignition and fueling, i think you can add a couple of sensors on to do more like the knock sensor etc Mike Not how I understand it, my mate is running an FCON as full standalone in a SC IS200. Any standalone ECU can be run as piggyback but on a manual without the autobox to worry about it should run everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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