how much would you be spending to get your supra to around 600 bhp

[Caesard]

.... and my wife is a MOD coded automotive and marine welder fabricator

 

Lyndon.

 

Can we swap wives please? I will even throw in 4 kids as a bonus

(One is a semi-pro rugby player with prospects, so pretty good deal if I might say so)

[Robzki]

my list just made 6k

 

No it didn't, it was £3600........£2400 is a lot of unjustified cash, and I haven't argued some of your prices which seem a little 'rounded up'

 

Working it in a different way, What would need to be added to one of the whifbitz kits(there are plenty)

 

like: http://whifbitzperformancetuning.co.uk/toyota-supra-supra-turbo-upgrades-turbo-kits-garage-whifbitz-p-11965.html

 

 

Lets assume you already have a fmic, egt,afr,boost gauges and a free flowing exhaust+decats as most of these are fitted to bpu cars anyway.

 

I am still just curious btw.

[dr_jekyll]

i recon i could do it in under 5k including the buying the car

[JamieP]

Thanks, neither of these add up to 15k though.

 

Off the top of my head, im sure ive missed a few bits. Add that lot up.

 

Turbokit £4k

Syvecs, few sensors and mapping about £3K

Manual you will need a decent clutch £1500, if auto you will want a upgraded autobox such as the Titan one, not sure what they cost, £3000?

Set of cams £600

Injectors £500 ish

Decent exhaust £800

Intercooler £500

BOV £150

Bosch 044 £150

AFR, EGT and boost gauge £400 ish

Oil cooler £200

I would do the oil and water pump with new belts £400 ish

 

Labour id guess would be about £2000-3000

[spikedjack]

10k if you want someone to do it all for you, less if you do it all yourself and source some cheaper parts

[Josh]

i recon i could do it in under 5k including the buying the car

 

Yeah, by just removing one of the turbos from the stock TT system?

[Robzki]

Off the top of my head, im sure ive missed a few bits. Add that lot up.

 

Turbokit £4k

Syvecs, few sensors and mapping about £3K

Manual you will need a decent clutch £1500, if auto you will want a upgraded autobox such as the Titan one, not sure what they cost, £3000?

Set of cams £600

Injectors £500 ish

Decent exhaust £800

Intercooler £500

BOV £150

Bosch 044 £150

AFR, EGT and boost gauge £400 ish

Oil cooler £200

I would do the oil and water pump with new belts £400 ish

 

Labour id guess would be about £2000-3000

 

 

Now that all makes sense, although I was figuring on going from bpu+ish so already have the basics, afr,egt,boost, bov,fmic, etc so saves £1500ish

 

The cams, and autobox I hadn't figured in

 

I figured that the autobox was good for 550hp but on a limited life?

 

So without an autobox/clutch roughly £10k on a completely stock non bpu car. if you get someone else to do it.

 

I'm reckoning then it could be done to a good standard bpu+ car that has already been well serviced with new pumps etc for £6-7k if you do most of it apart from the mapping?

 

Which is why I'm still confused by £15k, I could have spent £5k to go bpu if I'd bought the absolute best parts, imported, and then fitted by the local rip off merchants.

Edited April 16, 2012 by Robzki (see edit history)

[mellonman]

No it didn't, it was £3600........£2400 is a lot of unjustified cash, and I haven't argued some of your prices which seem a little 'rounded up'

 

Working it in a different way, What would need to be added to one of the whifbitz kits(there are plenty)

 

like: http://whifbitzperformancetuning.co.uk/toyota-supra-supra-turbo-upgrades-turbo-kits-garage-whifbitz-p-11965.html

 

 

Lets assume you already have a fmic, egt,afr,boost gauges and a free flowing exhaust+decats as most of these are fitted to bpu cars anyway.

 

I am still just curious btw.

 

see with the kit you still need alot of stuff that gets missed

 

Off the top of my head, im sure ive missed a few bits. Add that lot up.

 

Turbokit £4k

Syvecs, few sensors and mapping about £3K

Manual you will need a decent clutch £1500, if auto you will want a upgraded autobox such as the Titan one, not sure what they cost, £3000?

Set of cams £600

Injectors £500 ish

Decent exhaust £800

Intercooler £500

BOV £150

Bosch 044 £150

AFR, EGT and boost gauge £400 ish

Oil cooler £200

I would do the oil and water pump with new belts £400 ish

 

Labour id guess would be about £2000-3000

 

see even jamie has missed the lines Oil/Water return

 

it can be done cheaper thats for sure but with poor ecu and parts

[j_jza80]

My new turbo is half that and ive bought the best I could find, custom made triple ceramic bearing with billet wheel !!!

 

Blimey, that seems good. I was quoted just under £1700 for a GTX3582R (with shipping etc)

[JamieP]

see with the kit you still need alot of stuff that gets missed

 

 

 

see even jamie has missed the lines Oil/Water return

 

it can be done cheaper thats for sure but with poor ecu and parts

 

They will be in the turbo kit.

[Rob_Mitchell]

Now that all makes sense, although I was figuring on going from bpu+ish so already have the basics, afr,egt,boost, bov,fmic, etc so saves £1500ish

 

The cams, and autobox I hadn't figured in

 

I figured that the autobox was good for 550hp but on a limited life?

 

Yeah stock auto is good for that, he is just giving that extra modification and added cost if needed.

[add heywood]

I would say sell your car and buy one already done... Let some other person spend all their hard earned and then low ball them a price.

[mellonman]

They will be in the turbo kit.

 

owh my bad then sorry i knew you would miss a thing

[Rob_Mitchell]

I would say sell your car and buy one already done... Let some other person spend all their hard earned and then low ball them a price.

 

Thats what i should have done lol but its no fun doing it that way imo

[Robzki]

SOOoooooo.

 

My car is bpu

 

Whifbitz FPD removal

SRD fmic

NGK Iridium - BKR7EIX Plugs

Walbro fuel pump

K&N Panel filter

Double decat

Blitz bov

3" catback

Sard race cat

ARC IC Pipework

Oil Filter Sandwich plate

PLX Oil temp module

PLX Egt module

PLX Oil Pressure module

PLX Vac/Boost module

PLX Afr module

PLX AIT module x 2

Greddy fcd

 

 

I would need?

 

Turbo kit - £4000

Syvecs - £3000

cams - £550

Injectors - £500

 

 

And thats without trying to get better prices etc, injectors and cams seem to come up s/h fairly often.

 

and I could save a bit on either not going syvecs(I would) Do I need new sensors?

 

Roughly £8k would be my budget I think. I reckon it could be done for a lot less though without the syvecs and making up your own kit but would expect a loss of reliability unless you get lucky with s/h parts

Edited April 16, 2012 by Robzki (see edit history)

[Chris Bailey]

I think a whifbitz turbo kit was £3300 and the kit was good for 600-700bhp.

[Rob_Mitchell]

you would need

 

custom intercooler pipe work to turbo

decent exhaust system

[JamieP]

SOOoooooo.

 

My car is bpu

 

Whifbitz FPD removal

SRD fmic

NGK Iridium - BKR7EIX Plugs

Walbro fuel pump

K&N Panel filter

Double decat

Blitz bov

3" catback

Sard race cat

ARC IC Pipework

Oil Filter Sandwich plate

PLX Oil temp module

PLX Egt module

PLX Oil Pressure module

PLX Vac/Boost module

PLX Afr module

PLX AIT module x 2

Greddy fcd

 

 

I would need?

 

Turbo kit - £4000

Syvecs - £3000 inc map

cams - £550

Injectors - £500

 

 

And thats without trying to get better prices etc, injectors and cams seem to come up s/h fairly often.

 

and I could save a bit on either not going syvecs(I would) Do I need new sensors?

 

600bhp on a walbro will be pushing it, how many miles has your engine and box done?

 

I cant see a stock auto lasting long at 600bhp.

 

I think a whifbitz turbo kit was £3300 and the kit was good for 600-700bhp.

 

Nope, with VAT its something like £4100 last time i looked.

[Robzki]

600bhp on a walbro will be pushing it, how many miles has your engine and box done?

 

I cant see a stock auto lasting long at 600bhp.

 

100k miles at the last look, Get your point on the walbro. I think I would run the stock auto until it went pop.

 

Thanks for all the replies, I'm not going single for a long while. I'm trying to get the base of the car sound before upping the power. I am looking at cams and vss next along with the crank pulley. I have a feeling my turbo seals are on the way out anyway but I'm hoping they last long enough so I don't have to have them reconditioned to keep the car on the road.

[Guest clarkey7960]

tt one

[Nodalmighty]

ECU £500 (Emereld K6)

Turbo £500 (ATP GT35/82)

Oil line and Drain £25

Manifold £190 (xs-power - seriously re engineered)

Wastegate £65 (eBay)

Charge cooler core £110 (Wife modified)

Swirl Pot (Wife made) £0

CC Water Pump £80

CC Front Rad £100

CC Pipework £50

3" Exhaust and Down Pipe 316 SS £0 (Silverline Racing)

Fuel Injector 550cc Low Imp Siemens top feeds (£100 ebay swoop - in stock)

Fuel Rail, stock modified. FPR FSE -6 + gauge £100 (in stock)

Fuel Pump Rogue Motorsport Chinese Special (265 lph on pro drive fuel rig) £40 (in stock)

Autobox (-6) and engine oil cooler (-12) + pipes and fittings (£300 already in stock).

TT Autobox c/w TC £50, TT Flexplate £25 (already in stock)

Oil breather + pipes Think Automotive £120 (in stock)

 

Just need a TT Auto front prop half (£100?) and a trip to Dave Mac for a single piece unit £90.

 

Labour £0, Mapping £0, Wiring £0, Fabrication £0

 

Leaves me about £500 for sundries.

 

Lyndon.

Edited April 16, 2012 by Nodalmighty (see edit history)

[Chris Bailey]

ECU £500 (Emereld K6)

Turbo £500 (ATP GT35/82)

Oil line and Drain £25

Manifold £190 (xs-power - seriously re engineered)

Wastegate £65 (eBay)

Charge cooler core £110 (Wife modified)

Swirl Pot (Wife made) £0

CC Water Pump £80

CC Front Rad £100

CC Pipework £50

3" Exhaust and Down Pipe 316 SS £0 (Silverline Racing)

Fuel Injector 550cc Low Imp Siemens top feeds (£100 ebay swoop - in stock)

Fuel Rail, stock modified. FPR FSE -6 + gauge £100 (in stock)

Fuel Pump Rogue Motorsport Chinese Special (265 lph on pro drive fuel rig) £40 (in stock)

Autobox (-6) and engine oil cooler (-12) + pipes and fittings (£300 already in stock).

TT Autobox c/w TC £50, TT Flexplate £25 (already in stock)

Oil breather + pipes Think Automotive £120 (in stock)

 

Just need a TT Auto front prop half (£?) and a trip to Dave Mac for a single piece unit £90.

 

Labour £0, Mapping £0, Wiring £0, Fabrication £0

 

Lyndon.

 

 

Sounds like a great kit HAHA!

[Samurai 20V]

Robzki,

 

I am in the same boat as you, my car is full BPU at the moment, and as it is with us petrol heads, I am looking at the next step, which is single turbo...

 

The bank for buck is definitely worth it, but it is alot of bucks..

 

Being in Japan, there are some parts which are cheaper here, but the actual turbo and manifold is still very pricey here..

 

I reckon rather fit quality parts at first, rather than risk having to do things twice..

 

My proposed spec was as follows:

 

Turbo kit - HKS Setup or Whiftbitz twin kit (Includes downpipe, wastegate, oil lines, nuts bolts etc..)

Turbo - Garrett GTX35R

ECU - Syvecs, but based on mappers in my country likely I will go for the FCon

Exedy Carbon D twin plate

JUN 264 cams

SARD 800cc drop in injectors

Exhaust - Maybe upgrade to 4inch, I have 3inch

Intercooler - Already Have Greddy Spec LS

BOV - HKS Racing.

Fuel pump - Walboro (Paul Whiffin reckons its good for 600hp) or Bosch 044

Gauges - Have plenty already

Oil cooler - Mocal or something similar

Oil pump, crank pulley, VSS would get done at the same time...

 

All this is based on the pre-req that the motor is sound, any higher power, might as well refresh the bottom and go forged internals at the same time..

Radiator is changed on my car, I would change it for at least an OEM if not in good nick..

 

Anybody want to cost this lot out?

Edited April 16, 2012 by Samurai 20V (see edit history)

[Robzki]

ECU £500 (Emereld K6)

Turbo £500 (ATP GT35/82)

Oil line and Drain £25

Manifold £190 (xs-power - seriously re engineered)

Wastegate £65 (eBay)

Charge cooler core £110 (Wife modified)

Swirl Pot (Wife made) £0

CC Water Pump £80

CC Front Rad £100

CC Pipework £50

3" Exhaust and Down Pipe 316 SS £0 (Silverline Racing)

Fuel Injector 550cc Low Imp Siemens top feeds (£100 ebay swoop - in stock)

Fuel Rail, stock modified. FPR FSE -6 + gauge £100 (in stock)

Fuel Pump Rogue Motorsport Chinese Special (265 lph on pro drive fuel rig) £40 (in stock)

Autobox (-6) and engine oil cooler (-12) + pipes and fittings (£300 already in stock).

TT Autobox c/w TC £50, TT Flexplate £25 (already in stock)

Oil breather + pipes Think Automotive £120 (in stock)

 

Just need a TT Auto front prop half (£?) and a trip to Dave Mac for a single piece unit £90.

 

Labour £0, Mapping £0, Wiring £0, Fabrication £0

 

Lyndon.

 

 

 

Now thats value for money

 

I've just noticed that the syvecs is around £2000 inc map and loom? so my costs are cheaper still. Its why I'm always dubious about the prices bandied about here. £3000 is a little more than £2000, £1000 in fact which is a fair bit of money, prices seem to be about 25-50% higher than the actual price if you shop around.

 

I would think that a syvecs, whifbitz kit, srd etc cams are pretty good spec.

[davis6110]

Mines an N/A, think i need to get saving