greeny Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Dont worry about the numbers, the trap speeds will give a good indicator. Whether our numbers are low or theirs are high, mph and et is what matters. Funny thing is regarding the pump fuel queries, is that they say the same on the American MR2 boards. They won't tune a car past 1.2bar on pump fuel regardless of setups! So when people from Europe/uk post up that they're running 2+bar on Pump fuel, they get the same kind of responses! I.e not possible and lying etc! My car makes 590 at the wheels on a dyno dynamics and has trapped 142mph, whereas cars making 700whp on a dynojet are trapping less or the same mph. One thing regarding the hub dynos though, i always thought they gave the power at the flywheel? Regardless, Let the trap speeds do the talking JP. Would be interesting to see you put it on a dynojet just for a power run though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 See that is their downfall then. If they stop using pump fuel at 1.2 regardless of setup then they are mugs. It's my understanding that the whole reason for using race fuels is to stop det from happening. Det happens when the intake temperatures rise meaning the charge in the chamber becomes unstable. The bigger the turbo the cooler the intake charge at any given level as the turbo needs less rotations to create the same boost levels. The bigger the turbo, the more efficient it is at a desired level (within reason). At 2.0bar a GT35r would be blowing out it's behind but a GT45 is just getting on song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted August 8, 2011 Author Share Posted August 8, 2011 One thing regarding the hub dynos though, i always thought they gave the power at the flywheel? When compared to rolling roads such as dyno dynamics or maha etc id say you are most likely right with that one, it would not supprise if the rwhp that the dynapack gave me is close to the rwhp they talk of on the dynojets though, as you say either way it makes no odds, i only quote them numbers as thats what i was given. Ive tried many times to get a clean run on a rolling road but have struggled with wheel spin, the dynojets do look to hold big power cars well, they have huge rollers which will give a much better contact patch, id like to get on one soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARETT Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Dyno figures are all relative anyhow, they don't like pump fuel out there too much as when they've been pushed they've normally broken. Whenever something new comes around it will be up for discussion, and this power on pump is definitely a first. The main thing is your happy with the car, doesn't matter about what anyone else thinks. 1100 will trap at 150-157. I think you'll nail a 150+ pretty easy. 165+ BIG power. . . With regards to US vs UK hp numbers I don't think there is a big a discrepancy as everyone thinks. . . My current setup has achieved the same results in the US on countless 3.4/80mm car's. With JP's they are not saying it's the wrong power figure for the setup, they just can't understand that using pump fuel can yield that result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee P Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 TDI's dyno is Hub figure, it doesnt guess a flywheel figure. Cant speak for the dyno pack though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Dyno figures are all relative anyhow, they don't like pump fuel out there too much as when they've been pushed they've normally broken. Whenever something new comes around it will be up for discussion, and this power on pump is definitely a first. The main thing is your happy with the car, doesn't matter about what anyone else thinks. 1100 will trap at 150-157. I think you'll nail a 150+ pretty easy. 165+ BIG power. . . With regards to US vs UK hp numbers I don't think there is a big a discrepancy as everyone thinks. . . My current setup has achieved the same results in the US on countless 3.4/80mm car's. With JP's they are not saying it's the wrong power figure for the setup, they just can't understand that using pump fuel can yield that result. There is a claim of 450rwhp on a BPU supra running 1.4bar on UK/US spec turbos. That's about 20% high IMO. Then theres the Hennessey Viper, then the Blue "1200 HP" Supra built & tuned by titan that barely made 900hp here (CRD bought it). There's always been a big difference IMO. As you say though, it's all relative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen-Jm-Imports Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 here is some USA figures for R35s albeit different cars. 1000whp R35 in americas do 9.6@145, in UK the 850bhp R35 do 9.6..@145 USA figures always been high.. black dyno never lies.. you need 150-160 mate and am sure you will do it easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted August 8, 2011 Author Share Posted August 8, 2011 I really dont care who does what in what country tbh mate, im going saturday to enjoy myself, the car does what it does and i wont have any pressure put on me by saying it needs to run X time, i feel like ignoring this thread an all now tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littler Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 That's exactly what you need to do enjoy the day, have a laugh. I'm looking forward to seeing all the cars including yours as following your build thread it will be a great day, fingers cross for no rain!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARETT Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 There is a claim of 450rwhp on a BPU supra running 1.4bar on UK/US spec turbos. That's about 20% high IMO. Then theres the Hennessey Viper, then the Blue "1200 HP" Supra built & tuned by titan that barely made 900hp here (CRD bought it). There's always been a big difference IMO. As you say though, it's all relative Out of interest has anyone mapped a BPU supra on race fuel before?. . . A 20% increase due to race fuel can be plausible as a result. I can't comment on the CRD supra, but I know my own results match what's out there. With regards to the Venom GT, there's alot of vehicles that don't reach manufacturer claims of power. I may be wrong but it's not as if that specific car was dyno'd in the US then shipped to the UK just to go on a dyno again. . . Haven't personally seen a big diff in the big power setups, as the mph results normally have proven the power. The standing mile is a much better indicator of power imo. And their power figures do match the standing mile results achieved by them. I know Sami and Yalle in Germany have both been 210/215+ in the mile with their figures correlating with power figures from the US for their respective setups. It's great to see a UK tuner breaking boundaries with the 2JZ, however us discrediting the US figures as a result or them discrediting JP's figures isn't necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprafan72 Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 (edited) This thread seems to be getting far to serious for my liking..!! Its taking all the fun out of our cars!! Lets just enjoy them and not worry or give a toss about horsepower or expectant trap speeds.. The cars will do what they do! Its as simple as that. Edited August 8, 2011 by suprafan72 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleyh_15 Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 This thread seems to be getting far to serious for my liking..!! Its taking all the fun out of our cars!! Lets just enjoy them and not worry or give a toss about horsepower or expect trap speeds.. The cars will do what they do! Its as simple as that. Could not agree more! Why did we all buy these in the first place?? Because we love them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeny Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 When compared to rolling roads such as dyno dynamics or maha etc id say you are most likely right with that one, it would not supprise if the rwhp that the dynapack gave me is close to the rwhp they talk of on the dynojets though, as you say either way it makes no odds, i only quote them numbers as thats what i was given. Ive tried many times to get a clean run on a rolling road but have struggled with wheel spin, the dynojets do look to hold big power cars well, they have huge rollers which will give a much better contact patch, id like to get on one soon. Yup, hub dyno for me next time aswell, as we were struggling for traction with my measly (in the context of this thread) power! Regardless of the numbers it's amazing power/torque on pump fuel ! When Ryan tunes mine next, I'm hoping to see if he can push the pump fuel numbers and see what itl do. People seem to be pushing pump fuel alot further, the fastest FWD car in the UK runs Tescos 99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty71 Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 did you know the yanks reakon a McDonalds big mac is bigger in the states than anywhere else Always the same over there "all hype" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I really dont care who does what in what country tbh mate, im going saturday to enjoy myself, the car does what it does and i wont have any pressure put on me by saying it needs to run X time, i feel like ignoring this thread an all now tbh. Don't be like that J, you have the right attitude in that it does what is does. No need to justify the numbers on this thread or the one on SF, as you said yourself it's just a measure, what matters is that it works and does what it does on the road. The speedo vid says it all IMO Actually I thought most of the posts on the SF thread were quite reasonable (in SF "reasonable"!) considering how that forum usually reacts to something that doesn't match "their" norm. I don't like to see this jumping in from forum members here as it's dragged that thread off topic a fair bit. Shame really as there were some fair responses and discussions developing on it. Although it was quite funny to see some of the Australians jumping in and backing up the UK/euro figures we've seen.. not often that happens Very much looking forward to seeing it run this weekend, whether it does 130 or 160 terminals it's insanely quick, can't imagine how it feels on the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Will someone post up my screen shot of the log I posted a few posts ago to show them everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen-Jm-Imports Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Don't be like that J, you have the right attitude in that it does what is does. No need to justify the numbers on this thread or the one on SF, as you said yourself it's just a measure, what matters is that it works and does what it does on the road. The speedo vid says it all IMO Actually I thought most of the posts on the SF thread were quite reasonable (in SF "reasonable"!) considering how that forum usually reacts to something that doesn't match "their" norm. I don't like to see this jumping in from forum members here as it's dragged that thread off topic a fair bit. Shame really as there were some fair responses and discussions developing on it. Although it was quite funny to see some of the Australians jumping in and backing up the UK/euro figures we've seen.. not often that happens Very much looking forward to seeing it run this weekend, whether it does 130 or 160 terminals it's insanely quick, can't imagine how it feels on the road agree with homer.. just enjoy it mate.. i still think you will nail 150 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2 MSW Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Looking forward to seeing the car run on sat JP, 900 hp, 1000hp or 1200 hp it does not matter. Im just gutted I cant be there all day as the other half is working in the morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted August 14, 2011 Author Share Posted August 14, 2011 (edited) Im not posting in that thread again but its still going on, some claim it should do a higher terminal at that power. Below is jessica bartons video, 76mm doing 152 terminals with a claimed 1078rwhp if you read the description, says mine is about spot on to me, also Armins car. Armins Supra, 1147 rwhp and 150 terminals. Edited August 14, 2011 by JamieP (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 She does get a 156 terminal but thats prob downhill !!!! Yours will soon be trapping in the mid 150's JP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraDan24 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Howcome you didnt run yours in the end Dude? I may have missed the reason in a different thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Howcome you didnt run yours in the end Dude? I may have missed the reason in a different thread. It for some reason has head issues, the erar bucket is sticking again, im just ordering a new head, apparently there have been some issues with ferrea valve gear and thats what im running so im going for a head equipped with supertech stuff like JP etc are using, i'll put this right and run it this weekend and see what she does, theres a test and tune friday and rotorstock saturday. We drove the car to Lees BBQ it was fine, Simon drove it back and parked it for about 3 hours then started it and drove it on the trailer, it was fine, started at Pod and the rear bucket was sticking !!!! I actually hate the car officially ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark newman Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 burn it dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 burn it dude. That thought has crossed my mind more than once !!!! Would prob have more fun in yours with a bigger turbo and a shot of Nitrous running low 10's mid 9's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraDan24 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 So who's the Troll in SupraForums then?? Obviously someone off of here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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