David P Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) What's your secret David? Whilst waiting for 'things' to arrive, I've had a lurk around ebay and found a Q45 throttle body at a price I couldn't resist. The cat's out of the bag. Edited February 14, 2014 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Whilst waiting for 'things' to arrive, I've had a lurk around ebay and found a Q45 throttle body at a price I couldn't resist. The cat's out of the bag. What's one of those when it's at home then? Pics or it didn't happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) It's not at home yet, the bird is still in the bush. It should be simple enough to carve off the unwanted plumbing because there won't be room for it and then add a transmission line-pressure cable-ramp, but the cruise control may be onto a sticky wicket. Ideally the induction pipery could do with an upgrade from the present 76mm I.D. to 89mm I.D, yet this 80mm I.D. throttle-body will let more air in than the current 70mm. In the meanwhile, here's a library snap of one to keep you in the picture. Edited February 14, 2014 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Nice. Does it connect to the giggle pin or the laughter shaft? The Dubry, that is. You wouldn't want to discombobulate it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) Apparently, to get the Merc air flap to function I need an "inverting driver" . This is beyond my current knowledge of electrickery and would appreciate input please. http://uk.rs-online.com/mobile/c/?searchTerm=inverting+driver&sra=oss&r=t Edited January 13, 2014 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Apparently, to get the Merc air flap to function I need an "inverting driver" . This is beyond my current knowledge of electrickery and would appreciate input please. http://uk.rs-online.com/mobile/c/?searchTerm=inverting+driver&sra=oss&r=t It probably just means that you have to bolt it on with one of those newfangled upside down screwdrivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Apparently, to get the Merc air flap to function I need an "inverting driver" . This is beyond my current knowledge of electrickery and would appreciate input please. http://uk.rs-online.com/mobile/c/?searchTerm=inverting+driver&sra=oss&r=t Did you speak with Bob G? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) Did you speak with Bob G? I have and it turns out that getting this thing to function is going to be the most problematic part of the transplant. Subsequently, I've emailed tech support at AEM. To: [email protected] Subject: Wavelength Hello, I am using an AEM series 1 30-1100 ECU to manage my supercharged Toyota 2JZA80-GE. The idle control is a Bosch 100 KHZ (2 wire unit) and the bypass-valve is an air-flap from a Mercedes SLK 230 (3 wire unit) that I suspect to be 100 KHZ too. How can I get the ECU to give the correct square wave signals? Thank you David Nathan Stewart 10:36 PM (20 hours ago) David, What is the 3 wire Mercedes bypass valve being used for? As a supercharger bypass valve to re-circ the air charge through the blower? Does the valve need to be at a position other than fully open or fully closed? If you are trying to PWM it to a some position in between wide open and fully closed, have you verified the wave form that drives it? Most 3 wire PWM valves need a regular PW signal as well as an inverted PW signal in order to work correctly. Unfortunately the 1100 doesn’t have any way of supporting this natively but an external inverting driver can be used. The IAC PW frequency is set in the Idle template. Look for the Idle PW Frequency option. It looks like the closest frequency selection is 122Hz. Thanks, Nate Tech Support Which could be good news for the ICV and I also now have half an idea how to control the air flap. Consequently, I've used parallel logic and made a chance visit to what used to be a Merc Dealership where I was lucky to find 3 Merc trained Petroheads, 2 of whom spent 2 hours looking for the information without success. Mercedes electronics are constantly evolving and each and every which one component has it's own signature frequencies and/or waveforms and there's a confusing amount of similar electronic-butterfly air-flap components with function titles that are constantly changing, with confusing cross-models PDF Workshop Manuals that are a nightmare hiding in the dark. A Model specific Workshop Manual set should have the information, one sold today on ebay, it was up to £744 when I last looked. One of the lads at the Garage thinks he might have a set he's going to have a look tonight. If not, I may need to track down an SLK 230 and learn how to use an oscilloscope. Either either and/or any which way later, I then need to find out which one of these gizmo's will give it life. http://uk.rs-online.com/mobile/c/?se...er&sra=oss&r=t The unit I have is of the strongest design and is a double-default normally-open (mechanical-spring and electronic-default) safety valve with open or closed functions and is unlikely to provide the partially-open position I wanted for the gear-changes, but it may be possible to change the speed at which it opens and closes, which could do both jobs nicely. Looks like I'll be calling him again soon. Edited February 14, 2014 by David P Thank you for the :) :p (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) More toys. The Q45 arrived today and I'm very pleased with this bird now in the hand, it's a "minter". At £65 inc signed for first class post was a very good ebuy and I also found a ready made adaptor for it @ £14.99 inc post, Jackpot. Q45 & adaptor The butterfly has been cleaned and reassembled off centre, yet no damage done and a 2 minute fix That'll let a few more bats through the attic Edited February 14, 2014 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I have and it turns out that getting this thing to function is going to be the most problematic part of the transplant. Subsequently, I've emailed tech support at AEM. To: [email protected] Subject: Wavelength Hello, I am using an AEM series 1 30-1100 ECU to manage my supercharged Toyota 2JZA80-GE. The idle control is a Bosch 100 KHZ (2 wire unit) and the bypass-valve is an air-flap from a Mercedes SLK 230 (3 wire unit) that I suspect to be 100 KHZ too. How can I get the ECU to give the correct square wave signals? Thank you David http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=179255&d=1389470608 Nathan Stewart 10:36 PM (20 hours ago) David, What is the 3 wire Mercedes bypass valve being used for? As a supercharger bypass valve to re-circ the air charge through the blower? Does the valve need to be at a position other than fully open or fully closed? If you are trying to PWM it to a some position in between wide open and fully closed, have you verified the wave form that drives it? Most 3 wire PWM valves need a regular PW signal as well as an inverted PW signal in order to work correctly. Unfortunately the 1100 doesn’t have any way of supporting this natively but an external inverting driver can be used. The IAC PW frequency is set in the Idle template. Look for the Idle PW Frequency option. It looks like the closest frequency selection is 122Hz. Thanks, Nate Tech Support Which could be good news for the ICV and I also now have half an idea how to control the air flap. Consequently, I've used parallel logic and made a chance visit to what used to be a Merc Dealership where I was lucky to find 3 Merc trained Petroheads, 2 of whom spent 2 hours looking for the information without success. Mercedes electronics are constantly evolving and each and every which one component has it's own signature frequencies and/or waveforms and there's a confusing amount of similar electronic-butterfly air-flap components with function titles that are constantly changing, with confusing cross-models PDF Workshop Manuals that are a nightmare hiding in the dark. A Model specific Workshop Manual set should have the information, one sold today on ebay, it was up to £744 when I last looked. One of the lads at the Garage thinks he might have a set he's going to have a look tonight. If not, I may need to track down an SLK 230 and learn how to use an oscilloscope. Either either and/or any which way later, I then need to find out which one of these gizmo's will give it life. http://uk.rs-online.com/mobile/c/?se...er&sra=oss&r=t The unit I have is of the strongest design and is a double-default normally-open (mechanical-spring and electronic-default) safety valve with open or closed functions and is unlikely to provide the partially-open position I wanted for the gear-changes, but it may be possible to change the speed at which it opens and closes, which could do both jobs nicely. Looks like I'll be calling him again soon. I would send Bob this latest info and then call him again. I had a very brief chat with him a day or so ago and I am sure if you get him to agree to take a look he will be able to do something for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) I will, after by hook or by crook learning the signals required. Edited February 13, 2014 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) I've started superchargerising the Q45, beginning with the TPS. Trendy labelled adaptors are around £60, this cost 20p for the allen bolts and washers and made good use of a broken old T.B. Washer from the bits box. Piece of TPS mount cut from 1UZ-FE T.B. casting. TPS paddle from 1UZ T.B, filed out to an only just goes on, tight fit. Sleeve/spacer component, from 1UZ T.B. Supra TPS. (1UZ same) Allen bolts, spring washers and flat washers. The components Before Spacer/washer and sleeve/spacer Paddle tight on shaft and supported in correct position by the sleeve below it The allen bolts hold it all together and Nissan now speaks fluent Toyota Edited February 13, 2014 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippyboyo1 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I have a question!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) I have a question!!!!! Maybe you didn't catch click onto my previous answer to your question. Edited February 13, 2014 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) I've had a few cold-start tinkers with the AEM and found that with the idle PW frequency at 977 Hz and PWM output PW1 inverted, the Bosch AIC is operating smoothly and warming up no longer sounds like Fred Dibnah's traction engine. The coolant temp goes up faster than I can work so it'll take me another couple of goes to get it right, but think I now have that device of electrickery behaving at last. Mercedes H.Q. Technical Department have responded, they didn't know the air flap frequencies yet they think their Service and Parts Information Department will. I think I've found an adjustable plug & play inverter that could work as an interface once I know which spec to get. Edited February 14, 2014 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) I wanted to have the engine remapped before the Japanese Performance Magazine article went to print, yet that's now looking highly unlikely. Still no answer from either Mercedes or Bosch Technical Departments, they either don't know the spec of their own products or can't be ar$ed. Either way, it's a pi$$ poor effort by the Germans. I've tinkered all that can be tinkered, yet the present Bosch AIC valve and AEM are never going to understand each other. As a plan B, it's beginning to look like I'll be utilising the Nissan Q45 waxstat cold idle system and hunting down an SLK230 with oscilloscope in hand. Edited February 13, 2014 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) I've begun tinkering with a Lexus 1UZ to Q45 t.b. adaptor, it needs a final fettling and a bracket to locate the cables, but now have the bones to work on. The component parts Assembled 1UJ side Assembled Q45 side Outside, in need of a pruning and a cables bracket Inside before final fettling Edited February 13, 2014 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulley Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 First class work David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Thank you for the kind words. It's hard going with hand tools but coming along. It's too cold, wet and/or windy to be out there tinkering, so I've been swatting up on the AEM ECU and have reconfigured a copy of the map to function with VVTI coil packs. Now that's ready I'm itching to swap them in, but further to the fitting will entail before and after timing confirmation checks with the strobe which would have the neighbours on the warpath. First chance of somewhere to fit them and with A. N. Other to briefly hold the loud pedal @ 4k, I'll get them into the equation. Edited February 13, 2014 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) A "safety feature" of my Superchargespeed bonnet is to lift the wipers off the screen when over 70mph. I now have one of these that one fine day will go on which I'm hoping this will cure this, then it can be painted for skippys sake. Edited February 13, 2014 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted February 15, 2014 Author Share Posted February 15, 2014 (edited) A chance to get the Old Girl inside today and fit the coil-packs has eluded me. I HATE text messages. Edited February 15, 2014 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Good work so far. The terrible weather has spoilt a lot of jobs I've wanted to do too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) With weather and one thing and another the last little countdown jobs are dragging, sometimes it's better to wait for the tide to turn. Japanese Performance Magazine is out and the photographs are amazing, I never knew my Supra looked so good. A couple of details were off, but it's a job for me to keep up myself sometimes and they said such nice things, thank you. There are eight pages of Supra's and their Club member owners having a Great day out. Edited February 18, 2014 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Awesome to meet you yesterday mate and have a ride in the charger itself. Rapid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Meiser Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 With weather and one thing and another the last little countdown jobs are dragging, sometimes it's better to wait for the tide to turn. http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/13/47/13/91/chinoi11.gif Japanese Performance Magazine is out and the photographs are amazing, I never knew my Supra looked so good. A couple of details were off, but it's a job for me to keep up myself sometimes and they said such nice things, thank you. There are eight pages of Supra's and their Club member owners having a Great day out. http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=180876&d=1392673863 Nice! I'll keep an eye out for JP this month and pick it up when I can! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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