novak Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 There are people, British and immigrants alike, who have learned to play the system in such a way that they don't need to work to have a decent living. There are people running businesses is Europe, that instruct people what they're entitles to when they get here, and how to claim. And it doesn't help that we encourage this by providing translation for those services either. We should certainly make a decent standard of English a prerequisite for immigration. I agree with you on translators - rule should be simple you live in UK learn the language...simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 The NHS haven't been implementing this across the board though. e failures in immigration aren't the fault of immigrants, it's the fault of successive UK governments since the end of ww2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax2042 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 One of the companies that I do work for only employs immigrants from Eastern Europe..why? Becuase they can put them up in one of 5 houses they are renting as a company, profit on the sub letting, pay them minimum wage for working in their factory with sub standard safety (because most of the workers are too scared to claim because they might lose their job) This is one of the key problems. There is a shortage of British HGV drivers in the country... why? because the bulk is taken by foreign drivers accepting minimum wage from an agency whilst being paid under an umbrella scheme and being worked for on average 50 hours a week on shift work day and night. I have also seen some drivers using another persons digi card to moonlight through another agency and get more hours. I cant blame the immigrants that come over (lets face it if someone told you when you were 20 they will pay you 4 times what your earning to live in a house with your mates abroad you wouldnt?) its the fault of the employer for abusing the minimum wage law, not paying what is right and exploiting people and the fault of the government for setting the minimum wage so low. I also cant blame the majority of the average British person being sick and tired of all of this and their view of foreign people working here becoming jaded. UKIP seem to be the only party that want to talk about this problem and situation and want to do something about it. The only way they have come up with is by limiting immigration because lets face it if they openly went after the employer they would get even less votes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novak Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I am only worried that there is a lot of talking and after election there will be excuses. It is true but then again if you would emigrate to a different country - at the beginning you would accept conditions that are given - with time you understand that something is wrong or not. Don't get me wrong I am not anti UK or super pro immigration person - funny is... sometimes I really hate my nation seeing them drinking beer on a side of a corner shop or struggling to make a sentence in english - the point I am trying to make is that majority of migrants from any country are coming to work like a dog and have better life. Failure is of your government not seeing bigger picture allowing people to come and them build hate around them, blame others etc. - that is how you build walls between people, that is how you make minorities holding together and not willing to socialise in any form. I think best option for UK is to leave EU and start from fresh - maybe there will be an option to send all migrants home - calculate how much tax they paid in and how much was used for health care etc. pay the difference either way - and just send them home... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 So if I pay taxes as you do...can I have a free health care or shall I pay extra because I am an immigrant? Sorry but this benefits claim is quite outdated...what mean easy life... if you want to get somewhere you need to work hard... Yes that's the point. If you or any other foreign person comes to the UK, and works and pays taxes, then they are entitled to the NHS, and other benefits. The key words are work and pay taxes. Immigrants have been co ing the the UK for hundreds of years, and if they bring something to the country, great, stay but if not not, Go home. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Coming here to work and doing a job then welcome in. However we must be offering something big compared to other countries in Europe when people will take high risks to illegally get here. They will come from eastern Europe...across Germany, France etc... then sit waiting at a port for weeks for an opportunity to jump on the axle of a truck to get to the UK....just seems a bit crazy when you've got to France which has a lot to offer....just maybe not in benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 It makes no difference whether illegals come here or go to France etc. Once they're granted citizenship of any EU country, they are then entitled to come and live here anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Seems like pointless headline grabbing statistics, where is the comparison with UK prisoners expressed as a percentage of the whole? good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-191372/Foreign-inmates-outnumber-Britons.html I'm sure it's because they are caring, doting mothers in a stable married relationship, and they are just doing it to get their little darlings a private education and a sound future footing.... The caring, nurturing female and all that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 good point https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=pyPrVOyaG6-R7AbQgYGQDw&url=http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn04334.pdf&ved=0CB0QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFc5woMqfEk6pJKE2rqLrXlLM5oYg&sig2=bWJb2WUmPRVbvQvBfsUsPg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobUK Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I'm sat on the fence a little with immigration, whilst I don't mind people coming to country to better themselves and find work, it is frustrating that there aren't sufficient controls in place to prevent people coming to this country purely to use the benefits that our country has. What does annoy me us that we are paying 240m for those 4000 people in the original post to Stay in jail.... Why not deport them? They have commited crimes that aren't trivial and therefore they should be asked/told to leave... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I'm sat on the fence a little with immigration, whilst I don't mind people coming to country to better themselves and find work, it is frustrating that there aren't sufficient controls in place to prevent people coming to this country purely to use the benefits that our country has. What does annoy me us that we are paying 240m for those 4000 people in the original post to Stay in jail.... Why not deport them? They have commited crimes that aren't trivial and therefore they should be asked/told to leave... `uman rights, `uman rights. The "right" to a family life. The right to not be sent back to a country where their lifestyle choice, probably fabricated, is deemed offensive, leaving them likely to be attacked, locked up, or discriminated against. Lots of bloody "rights", lots more than the poor saps they have offended against have got... Any immigrant tried and convicted of a custodial offence should be deported immediately if the offence is within 5 years of their arrival here. If they say their family can't fend for themselves without them, deport them, too. Even if such a sensible law were to be passed, many of these people don't even officially exist. They walk the dark corridors of the illegal, possibly using a false ID. Chip `em all, every stop and search, scan `em My heart bleeds for the poor sods who live on Lampedusa, what a nightmare that must be, boatload after boatload of God knows who arriving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Why not deport them? They have commited crimes that aren't trivial and therefore they should be asked/told to leave... Country is too soft.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I'm actually terrified by the prospect of UKIP gaining influence, I really hope no one is seriously considering voting for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 There's enough people going to vote for them for them to have a serious impact on how the country will be run after the next election. What's so terrifying about them? Middle England likes the cut of their jib. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I'm actually terrified by the prospect of UKIP gaining influence, I really hope no one is seriously considering voting for them. I am equally terrified at the prospect of Labour / SNP / Greens having any sort of chance at getting into power. We haven't even got to the election yet, and already Labour are making all sorts of unfunded spending commitments. What all of the parties are failing to understand is that this 'austerity' isn't a temporary thing. It is a permanent reduction in spending, so that we can live within our means. Because currently we are living in a society that we can not afford, and one that future generations will be paying for. I may well vote UKIP, purely because they are the only party offering a democratic discussion about our place in Europe (the Conservatives are only paying this lip service to appease the potential political migrants to UKIP), which is currently causing us a lot of harm. But in all honesty, it doesn't really matter who you vote for now. As a country, a society, and as a race, we have passed the point of no return IMO, and governments only function now is managing that decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 The only reason why I want UKIP in power is to show every other party, all those silver spoon fed twats that this is our country, and they are elected to run it on OUR behalf and for OUR benefit. Which is something that has been lost along the way. UKIP does have some great ideas and and yes they do have some shocking ones, but it is the kick up the backside this country and the other parties need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 The decline in our armed forces is what frightens me, the papers listed our "deterrents" compared to Russia's the other day, and it was obvious that successive governments have seen it decimated to a near useless level. Meanwhile we haemorrhage taxes bringing geriatrics to trial over historic sex abuse, bringing legislation for homosexual marriage to the statute books, and similar nonsenses, whilst the parents of terrorist school girls have their solicitor blame it all on poor border control, the social media, their school, everything bar their lack of control and moral guidance. The blame culture is responsible for so much these days The government's seeming priorities look Ostrich like to me. Step forwards some Statesmen, for pity's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Until they put 'none of the above' on the ballot paper, a protest vote is as valid as any other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Totally in agreement with the last four comments, the way this country is governed needs a drastic shake/wake up call, I also think if ukip can get us out of the EU so much the better, I know there are benefits, but do they outweigh the deficits of being a member? I am also interested to know what ukips policy on the armed forces and the police force will be, by their leanings I would suspect that that they will be making a point of reviewing these but I haven't read anything relating?....however I don't read a lot on politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarek Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Bloody foreigners:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 When people kick off at immigrants, it's at illegal immigrants. OP shown statistics for LEGAL immigrants from EU countries. its the fault of the employer for abusing the minimum wage law, not paying what is right and exploiting people and the fault of the government for setting the minimum wage so low. UKIP seem to be the only party that want to talk about this problem and situation and want to do something about it. The only way they have come up with is by limiting immigration because lets face it if they openly went after the employer they would get even less votes.. Wow, in one sentence you say that it is fault of employers and government and say that this cretin Farage and his party is a solution because he wants to limit immigration by kicking some out? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-191372/Foreign-inmates-outnumber-Britons.html Daily Mail, your daily source of information Chris, wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Wow, in one sentence you say that it is fault of employers and government and say that this cretin Farage and his party is a solution because he wants to limit immigration by kicking some out? Unfortunately several generations under the labour Govt have been raised as parasites in the UK - they simply can't compete in the real world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I am still waiting to find out what "hogmaw" does for a living, it's got to be something that makes money off the back of crooks, illegal immigrants and general detritus from overseas here in the UK, surely? I bet he's a Senior Manager for Amazon or Sports Direct ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Be interesting to see what happens here, over 5000 complaints to TV watchdog over the UKIP Channel 4 program http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2965328/TV-watchdog-launches-investigation-5-000-complaints-biased-Channel-4-docudrama-imagined-Ukip-election-win.html How many did Top Gear receive for the slope comment, was it one or two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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