haz182 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 also its been stated that (ECU) modification wont be aloud... is this just having them chipped or that you wont be aloud to change the ecu..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Sorry, what? Fancy explaining a bit more about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a98pmalcolm Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 How would they know? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz182 Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 - balljoint/steering joint dust covers will now fail if split/damaged - inner cv boot now a failure if split damaged insecure. - driveshaft support bearings to be checked - dashboard warning lights (tyre pressure, abs, traction/esp/whatever its called on your car, seat belt, air bag, brake w/light, elec steering etc) but not engine warning light. - drivers seat must adjust and secure into new position - can fail for airbag(s) missing, insecure, activated .....and also same for seatbelt pre-tensioners. - rear doors must now open from the outside (currently on from inside tested) - reverse camera if fitted is treated like a mirror (view not obsecured, secure, etc etc) - wiring harness to be checked, fail for bare wires, chaffing on body etc - battery is now a test item and can fail if insecure. (common myth if that it was a fail before, it is now come 1st jan 12) - inappropiate modifications to steering, suspension and brakes. (inappropiate defined as significately modified from the original specification) - brake performance to raise from 50%, but thats delayed until 2013. - LPG systems, if leak smelt then can test for leak using a spray - Towbar 13pin plug to be tested. old 7 pin plugs can still fail for damage, insecure, wiring. - CAT must be fitted, if in original vehicle spec, 1992 ish onwards. - you can now fail on brake pipe, steering pipe and fuel pipe corrosion i think. before it was pass n advise. - HID headlights must have either self leveling or headlamp washers, aswell as meeting the rest of the lighting critera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Where did that come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz182 Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 Currently we do not have a list of illegal engine tuning parts in this country but the EC is looking at restrictions across the board, particularly as OEM are pressing against tuning of their ECU software, maintaining that it is their property, regardless of the vehicles sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Until you can show some credible source for that information I doubt anyone is going to be too concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz182 Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 http://www.the-ace.org.uk/stricter-mot-test-from-2012.html if you put in new laws for mot 2012 in search enginbe its on forums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 http://www.the-ace.org.uk/stricter-mot-test-from-2012.html if you put in new laws for mot 2012 in search enginbe its on forums Yes, but I said 'credible' rather than 'open source'. I'd have thought the mainstream media would have picked up on that rather rapidly if it was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Have moved this thread to Off Topic with a better thread title so more people will see it. Anyone else heard something from a reliable source about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz182 Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 just thought i would ask as its been brought up on many siters, with VOSA manual for mots being updated so thought i would see if anyone here had heard of anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I think you will find all of that is pretty spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 this has been asked/posted many times now, search and you will find Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz182 Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 havent seen it on here so thought i would ask! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 well, THIS is the link for the 2012 Testers Handbook as published by the Gov't - no mention of the ECU thing you mention.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz182 Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 well, THIS is the link for the 2012 Testers Handbook as published by the Gov't - no mention of the ECU thing you mention.... ill find the quote regarding the ecu now, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I doubt the ecu thing could be retro enforced, ie it will only apply to vehicles registered after 1/1/12. There are a few ecu's we cannot get into at the moment but as they come out ways of cracking them and remapping are developed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Yes there are going to be some additions and slightly stricter test procedures, however just how any MOT tester is going to be able to test for a multitude of rewritten ECU software, or even piggybacks (unless they are very obvious) do you really think that the MOT is going to force every testing station to invest thousands in the specialised equipment needed to detect a hacked ECU? Same goes for wiring loom testing, it will amount to just the bits that can be seen, or easily accessed, can you imagine the uproar when they put the price of an MOT up to £150 because it takes 3 hours, somehow i don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Yes there are going to be some additions and slightly stricter test procedures, however just how any MOT tester is going to be able to test for a multitude of rewritten ECU software, or even piggybacks (unless they are very obvious) do you really think that the MOD is going to force every testing station to invest thousands in the specialised equipment needed to detect a hacked ECU? Same goes for wiring loom testing, it will amount to just the bits that can be seen, or easily accessed, can you imagine the uproar when they put the price of an MOT up to £150 because it takes 3 hours, somehow i don't think so. They will not care about the garages costs Ricky, I was a tester when they changed the MOT rules before, as far as they are concerned the extra ££ spent is recouped in the price of the MOT for the testing station, thats why my mate just shut his down, too much outlay and losing the ability to test as mant vehicles as he needed to to stay open. They could not ever know if a ecu has been remapped unless they know every bit of code by heart, but it takes nothing to see if its a stock ecu or has AEM plastered all over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 drivers seat must adjust and secure into new position That would make all bucket seats that people have illegal then, including the ones that come in stock form for new cars. Example a Porsche GT3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 That would make all bucket seats that people have illegal then, including the ones that come in stock form for new cars. Example a Porsche GT3. Again in that case it can only apply to cars registered after the start date, but stuff like the HIDs and safety stuff will apply to any year and they could say that only cars supplied by manufacturers with fixed seats will pass, the testing stations are all computerised so its easy to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I've been trying to find correct credible info on the changes for the last few days, and found so much conflicting information it ridiculous! Some of the suggestions from VOSA back in early 2011 suggest any aftermarket HIDs will have to have washers and auto-levelling fitted - but then the handbook for testers says basically 'if fitted must work'. There was some talk of any 'illegal modifications to ECUs or software' would be failed, but there's no way of testing it, so only obvious aftermarket ECUs would fail and only if the tester knew what to look for. Basically I've concluded that we're going back to old style MOT testing whereby you have to know a friendly tester who'll give you the benefit of the doubt (which seems to be said in the handbooks) and pass it. ie: I go in and tell them my car has auto-levelling - there's no viable way of testing it (since they won't waste time jacking the front up or sticking loads of stuff in the boot), so they have to assume it has it and works - also, some doc I read said if the car has limited load space and stiff suspension then it's not required anyway!! No idea what it means for tuned cars, I guess as above just get the tester to ignore the 'AEM' logo - don't AEM make parts for Toyota imports anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 That would make all bucket seats that people have illegal then, including the ones that come in stock form for new cars. Example a Porsche GT3. Except GT3 seats do adjust !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Except GT3 seats do adjust !!! That's in an Audi TT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I've been trying to find correct credible info on the changes for the last few days, and found so much conflicting information it ridiculous! Some of the suggestions from VOSA back in early 2011 suggest any aftermarket HIDs will have to have washers and auto-levelling fitted - but then the handbook for testers says basically 'if fitted must work'. There was some talk of any 'illegal modifications to ECUs or software' would be failed, but there's no way of testing it, so only obvious aftermarket ECUs would fail and only if the tester knew what to look for. Basically I've concluded that we're going back to old style MOT testing whereby you have to know a friendly tester who'll give you the benefit of the doubt (which seems to be said in the handbooks) and pass it. ie: I go in and tell them my car has auto-levelling - there's no viable way of testing it (since they won't waste time jacking the front up or sticking loads of stuff in the boot), so they have to assume it has it and works - also, some doc I read said if the car has limited load space and stiff suspension then it's not required anyway!! No idea what it means for tuned cars, I guess as above just get the tester to ignore the 'AEM' logo - don't AEM make parts for Toyota imports anyway? Trust me they will easily find a way of testing it dude, no more trouble than testing 4 X 4 brakes where they have to go out on the road with a Tapley meter, the govt want modified cars to be a thing of the past, in some euro countries im sure the test takes many hours and cost 100's of euros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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