jevansio Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Ed, what's the schedule for yours at the mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 If I was to take this one, it'd be a long termer - and probably be stored for 12 months first, probably stripped and re-inspected. Just mulling it over.... Jay - you know where it'd end up lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdMorris Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 It goes in for the custom exhaust on thursday. I hope its worth the expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy bebop Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 That being said, the motor may work for whomever buys it, I can't say with certainty one way or another. But I also can't point to anything that would assure a potential purchaser of what they are getting; without that, the motor has essentially no value. So I am selling the turbo kit for a reasonable price, ±$3000 USD, and the motor comes with it as a throw-away. If it works, great; if not, they have no beef with me as I didn't (and couldn't) warrant anything regarding the motor. Chris I've offered to buy back the motor and turbo kit at this price and I can transfer the funds today. I've also called and left a message at your number. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuindustries Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 cowboy bebop: I appreciate the offer, however I would prefer to sell the motor to an end-user rather than a re-seller. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy bebop Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 I'm not sure I understand, but it's your motor to with as you see fit. The offer is out there, though. It's good for as long as the motor is at RSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elitecustombody Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 cowboy, why don't you offer Chris what he spent on it? You'll get some of the respect back . Chris, I just can't believe you're giving it away like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy bebop Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Because it's a custom project ordered with custom parts and built with custom labor. As with any corporation in America, there's a no return policy on custom items. This item is no different. That's how business works and being a business owner yourself you should know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel lane Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 If you are considering buying i would read that thread first. yep read it, but was going to use the engine as a N/A for my TVR . THE 4.2L lump in it has seen better days. I was looking round for a 4L version of the engine, but saying this i can see where you are coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elitecustombody Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Because it's a custom project ordered with custom parts and built with custom labor. As with any corporation in America, there's a no return policy on custom items. This item is no different. That's how business works and being a business owner yourself you should know that. I'm sorry,I'd rather not listen to your advice on how business should work.And I have no problem taking my widebody shell back and giving you back your freshly rebuilt motor/turbo and nicely cleaned parts,the way I should have gotten them. And I'll even offer to remove all your parts off it,so you don't even have to sweat.Let me know when you're ready. Stefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy bebop Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Maybe you should.. see I've met a lot of people like you. Insanely talented, but really, really should be working for someone else. And yes, I know that why you took 24 months to finish the car instead of the quoted two years, it's clear that you wanted it for yourself. But sorry, this is a deal you yourself proposed, and we both agreed on the trade. Remember... you approached me, and there is such a thing as due dillegence. As far as I'm concerned we've completed our agreement a year ago and ther is nothing else to discuss. Good day sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elitecustombody Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Thanks for the compliment, Yes, I was the one,who inquired,but the rest is bunch of BS,in Nov of 2008 we made a deal to where I supply my 97 tt shell with 1.5 inches widened quarters to fit bigger wheel/tire combo and a quick respray,nothing fancy,just a clean paint job,no body kit,keeping the body completely stock, And at the time the deal was made,I made it clear to you that I will only start working on it after New Year, few months later you finally briought wheels and tires that literally stick out 6 inches out of the fenders and quarters.So me being stupid and polite,instead of telling you to find wheels that we could use to keep stock body and just widen the rear 1.5 inch per our original agreement ,I kept quiet ,on top of that, I used my connections to get the flares,skirts and front bumper at cost ,then dealing with all that mess to make the body fit over the oversized wheels ,that's where this type of work will take serious time,so at that time I figured to make sure everything must be done at the highest level of quality,counless hours went into just making sure both sides are symmetric , So because of your wrong width/off-set wheels you try to blame me for taking my time to make sure the body work goes with your wrong wheels? Great! For the record,it didn't take 2 years and 6 moths,but 1 year and 6 or 7 months.I have all PM's and emails,all my pics have time stamp too. Stefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy bebop Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Thanks for the compliment, Yes, I was the one,who inquired,but the rest is bunch of BS,in Nov of 2008 we made a deal to where I supply my 97 tt shell with 1.5 inches widened quarters to fit bigger wheel/tire combo and a quick respray,nothing fancy,just a clean paint job,no body kit,keeping the body completely stock, And at the time the deal was made,I made it clear to you that I will only start working on it after New Year, few months later you finally briought wheels and tires that literally stick out 6 inches out of the fenders and quarters.So me being stupid and polite,instead of telling you to find wheels that we could use to keep stock body and just widen the rear 1.5 inch per our original agreement ,I kept quiet ,on top of that, I used my connections to get the flares,skirts and front bumper at cost ,then dealing with all that mess to make the body fit over the oversized wheels ,that's where this type of work will take serious time,so at that time I figured to make sure everything must be done at the highest level of quality,counless hours went into just making sure both sides are symmetric , So because of your wrong width/off-set wheels you try to blame me for taking my time to make sure the body work goes with your wrong wheels? Great! False, incorrect, and flat out wrong.. I showed you the wheels before I bought, and you said go for it. You even complimented the wheel choice on Supraforums. Do you honestly believe that I or anyone would purchase wheels for their body man BEFORE running it by them? No sir.. you green lighted those wheels all the way. "Great choice!" you said. More victim nonsense. For the record,it didn't take 2 years and 6 moths,but 1 year and 6 or 7 months.I have all PM's and emails,all my pics have time stamp too. Stefan October 2006, you approach me with a deal to trade my recently dynoed 2jz built longblock + turbo kit for a Supra widebody rolling chassis. November 2006, we made the deal with a 10 week completion time estimate, December 2007, I remove my running 2jz and sell my white Supra, no turning back now, April 2008, STILL no work done and I try to allow you to gracefully back out of the deal. I even embark on the two hour trip to come pick up my wheels (which you approved and encouraged) but you call and say don't worry we'll get it done by July, or August at the latest. I agree but am starting to ge the feeling that all those people who warned me against doing business with you may be right, December 2008, hardly any work done, Christmas comes and goes February 2008, FINLLY I get to pickup the raw shell, but he fenders, hood, hatch, front bumper, rear bumper, left door and right door aren't touched. Lovely October 2008, I bring the car back to you to finally fit the fenders, hood, hatch, front bumper, rear bumper, left door, and right door. Lovely. November 2008, I pick up the car FINALLY two years later and truck it off. Seems like 24 months to me, sir. But no matter because that 10 week time frame was shot to hell long ago anyways. I don't care about your PM's, you know how to make PM's say anything you want them to, but I know how it went down and I know that this car costed me thousands of real (folding) money on top of the work done. Does it matter now? Hell no. Because do you honestly think I would recommend your work without telling them all about how the deal turned south due to you taking two years to complete the job AND all this nonsense your perpetrating now? Let me bring you up to speed. Our deal (the one that you asked for) is complete. It ended a year ago. Now you have what you asked for and I have what I asked for. Here in America, that's called business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axle Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Lads, you both need to chill out a little ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 As Steve said You're most welcome to join and post on this UK forum but please keep your discussion/dispute with cowboy bebop to more appropriate channels: he said she said never goes down well, especially if it's just spilled over from another forum where it got nowhere. Posting a personal dispute on this public forum based on what boils down to personal opinion will just get dozens of people who know very little substance about the matter drawn into it, associating our forum in the process - and that never goes well for anyone involved. I'm sure at least one if not both parties feels wrongly done by and I'm also sure there are two sides to every story, but to be blunt I don't really want to hear either. This goes for both of you: PM each other, take it elsewhere, start some sort of legal proceedings if that's what's appropriate, but don't wash your dirty laundry in public. It STILL applies here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekymonkey Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 The forum is starting to smell like dirty laundry! Interesting to read (like a bit of drama) but as others have said it really doesn't belong here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Spoil sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 This forum is going uphill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elitecustombody Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) False, incorrect, and flat out wrong.. I showed you the wheels before I bought, and you said go for it. You even complimented the wheel choice on Supraforums. Do you honestly believe that I or anyone would purchase wheels for their body man BEFORE running it by them? No sir.. you green lighted those wheels all the way. "Great choice!" you said. More victim nonsense. October 2006, you approach me with a deal to trade my recently dynoed 2jz built longblock + turbo kit for a Supra widebody rolling chassis. November 2006, we made the deal with a 10 week completion time estimate, December 2007, I remove my running 2jz and sell my white Supra, no turning back now, April 2008, STILL no work done and I try to allow you to gracefully back out of the deal. I even embark on the two hour trip to come pick up my wheels (which you approved and encouraged) but you call and say don't worry we'll get it done by July, or August at the latest. I agree but am starting to ge the feeling that all those people who warned me against doing business with you may be right, December 2008, hardly any work done, Christmas comes and goes February 2008, FINLLY I get to pickup the raw shell, but he fenders, hood, hatch, front bumper, rear bumper, left door and right door aren't touched. Lovely October 2008, I bring the car back to you to finally fit the fenders, hood, hatch, front bumper, rear bumper, left door, and right door. Lovely. November 2008, I pick up the car FINALLY two years later and truck it off. Seems like 24 months to me, sir. But no matter because that 10 week time frame was shot to hell long ago anyways. I don't care about your PM's, you know how to make PM's say anything you want them to, but I know how it went down and I know that this car costed me thousands of real (folding) money on top of the work done. Does it matter now? Hell no. Because do you honestly think I would recommend your work without telling them all about how the deal turned south due to you taking two years to complete the job AND all this nonsense your perpetrating now? Let me bring you up to speed. Our deal (the one that you asked for) is complete. It ended a year ago. Now you have what you asked for and I have what I asked for. Here in America, that's called business. Showing pictures of wheels doesn't help me ,even some of the best wheel makers can't get their specs right and people end up cutting or rolling their fenders ,without physically fitting them on the car,I was hoping that they would work assuming you did some checking as far as how they fit on stock MKIV chassis ,so don't even go there, ALL I had to go off of is your pictures. And yet you still rudely keep ignoring the fact that because of the wrong sized wheel/tire combo the original deal that we stroke was out the window the minute I got these wheel on the car, why can you not get that through your thick scull? Once again,I'll remind you,I told you in November of 06 that I will not start working on it till after New Year of 2007, I need to make it clear to you, no builder wants to start any widening on the body without wheels/tires, I got the wheels from you in mid January of 2007. Here is how they looked on completely stock MKIV body just to remind you,because you seem keep forgetting why it took time to get the body fitted around them Once I got the monster wheels, we were looking for flares,bumpers and side skirts , I waited on you to bring me the kit, after a while you brought the worst DoLuck copy I have ever seen and I told you I will not work with that garbage,it was bad enough I had to deal with the moster wheels/tires, is that my fault you didn't want to spend few grand to atleast buy a Genuine Do Luck parts to make it easier for me? Then I go out of my way and get Buddy Club to build the flares, Then I take you to one of my good friend's warehouse to pick sides and bumper, The car was completed and you picked it up on my brother's Birthday October 4th,do you not remember,I told you that I should have been at my brother's birthday party instead of working on this car. Yes I admit,digging through the photos and looking at time stamps,I was off by few months ,but that still doesn't change the fact that with monster wheels the original deal was out the window the minute I got the wheels on the car, you should get that by now. Main reason I left doors and front end off is to avoid any dents and scratches when you were installing the drivetrain and the rest of parts to make it a running car, so don't even play that.BTW,the hatch was on the car painted and colorsanded and polished to a wet black mirror,do you want me to post a pic? All high-end builders know not to install any body parts on the shell while fitting engine,wiring e.t.c. to avoid any scratches to fresh paint A deal is complete? where is my new Fluidyne radiator? You picked up the blown up from the blown head gasket damaged radiator that you tried sneaking in on me,I still don't have it, where is the HKS DLI harness? 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JustGav Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Guys, enough is enough! This is the last time before I lock this thread. We have repeatedly ask for you guys to keep your dispute off this public forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elitecustombody Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Gav,that's all I needed to say, I didn't mean to get off track and it won't happen again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr lover Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 those wheels are cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrosixfour Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Guys, enough is enough! This is the last time before I lock this thread. We have repeatedly ask for you guys to keep your dispute off this public forum. Can it not be moved to members only section or is that simply not sufficent? I'm not trying to stir the pot here, but it does make interesting reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Can it not be moved to members only section or is that simply not sufficent? I'm not trying to stir the pot here, but it does make interesting reading. I agree Some good information also in the thread in regards to this type of build. Hope you both manage to sort out this dispute amongst yourselfs. As both Steve and Gav have mentioned this is not the best place to find a solution to the problems you have with your deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 That MSB car is a lovely example in one of the rarest colours. I hope it didn't get completely mutilated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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