kieren1234 Posted August 14, 2007 Author Share Posted August 14, 2007 I hope that explains it and prevents me from looking like a complete prat from smartys post. Thanks mate. PM would have been nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Hmmmm, as a parent (and previous scrounger from parent), I'd have to agree... really should put some cash your folks way to keep em sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieren1234 Posted August 14, 2007 Author Share Posted August 14, 2007 Hmmmm, as a parent (and previous scrounger from parent), I'd have to agree... really should put some cash your folks way to keep em sweet. Why would i give them the money that they just gave to me to clear some debt and enjoy myslef??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 It wasnt like that mate, i started sourcing parts for an na-t for my friend (the person that helped me do this project) and he bought all the bits as we were doing it on a spare engine (that i got for free from lucifer) and he was going to be putting it in a supra shell if he could find one cheaply enough. We had most of the parts and he decided he could not afford to do the project any more and was struggling to find a good shell, so we decided that i would buy all the bits from him (now that i have my money problems controlled) and after my mum and dad have given me quite alot of money to sort things out (cleared credit cards and "some" student loan debt) and i decided to spend some on the car. Hence why i bought all the stuff from him. Hope this makes snese and i agree that, seeing from your presepective it looks bad on me. It just seemed a little strange to me after only a couple of weeks you could do this to your car. Maybe i looked into it to much I am glad you have been able to clear some of your debts etc... Also well done on completing this project, i do like to see members try these things themselves and actually finish them too Hope the cars runs well, when finally mapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieren1234 Posted August 14, 2007 Author Share Posted August 14, 2007 I am glad you didnt take that the wrong way. It just seemed a little strange to me after only a couple of weeks you could do this to your car. Maybe i looked into it to much I am glad you have been able to clear your debts etc... Also well done on completing this project, i do like to see members try these things themselves and actually finish them too Hope the cars runs well, when finally mapped. I took it with a pinch of salt mate, when i look at things from your point of view, it would look dodgy to me. Im not debt free, BUT the debt i have left is only student loands (and whatever student loans i get to help with my degree in business course this year, which are interest freee untill im earning over 15k a year. And even then the repayments are small. Thanks for the comments Smarty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 I hope that explains it and prevents me from looking like a complete prat from smartys post. Thanks mate. PM would have been nice Sorry mate, but this forum is for us members. So i dont feel it should be kept hidden by a PM. Anyone else could have picked up on this, but i seem to be able to remember alot of things that members post up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieren1234 Posted August 14, 2007 Author Share Posted August 14, 2007 HaHA no problem mate, fine by me. so back on topic, the walkthrough is FINISHED!!!!! 28 microsoft word pages, 7000 kb. Will have another read through it tommorrow and make any ammendments before i post it. Thanks everyone for comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Would it not be more sensible to just post the walkthtrough on here like Tlicense did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieren1234 Posted August 14, 2007 Author Share Posted August 14, 2007 Thats what i want to do Rob but it is massive so didnt think it would fit. Suppose i can do it in a few posts. I will still email it to those who want it. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 IIRC, you can ask a mod to lock a thread to more replies, so you can make several posts. Host all the pics in advance and have the word document open then it will just be copy paste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Brett Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Please add my name to the circ list for the walkthrough. How many hours would it take to complete the NA/T conversion starting from scratch with no experience ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieren1234 Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 Well we didnt have any experience and it took us 5 weeks BUT, we ordered the parts as we went along but i would say if you had ALL the parts then you could quite easily do it properly in around 3 days if you are on it constantly. So about 24 hours in total. But its better to just take youre time and dont cut corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Have you fitted a stronger clutch Kieren? Also the 5 spd manual box has it's limits in terms of power it is able to handle, so you'll need to be careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultra_supra Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 1) m45sey 2) dr_blackman 3) fla$ha$h 4) Marco79 5) Simon2610 6) ultra_supra...jus incase i end up keepin the sup;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieren1234 Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 Have you fitted a stronger clutch Kieren? Also the 5 spd manual box has it's limits in terms of power it is able to handle, so you'll need to be careful. No mate, when the clutch is due to be changed, i will upgrade it but it will handle the power. I am only going to be running 5-7 psi so will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 No mate, when the clutch is due to be changed, i will upgrade it but it will handle the power. I am only going to be running 5-7 psi so will be fine. What is the turbo spec and what power are you anticipating at 5-7psi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieren1234 Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 Im not sure mate, we will see what it produces when i have got it tuned and on the dyno. For what its cost me, even a slight increase i would be happy with. I dont want mad power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovervi Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 1) m45sey 2) dr_blackman 3) fla$ha$h 4) Marco79 5) Simon2610 6) ultra_supra...jus incase i end up keepin the sup 7) Rovervi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 One for potential NA-T members to consider, First of all I dont mean to p*ss all over your thread kieren but no one seems to have said it, Unless you are lucky, or shrewd enough to source parts for the formerly quoted its gonna cost quite a bit more to do a 'decent' NA-T conversion, Your car will be lucky to benefit from this conversion at 7psi, afterall you are losing the response of being an N/A The main saving in this type of conversion will be labour costs, but we are all enthusiasts here, if you have the time, this could be done, pretty easily, with a bit of confidence and common sense. Just a bit of honest advice for a potential NA-T owner that thinks they will spend their next months wage on this type of conversion to find out that they gotta spend the next months to finish it...then the next and maybe the next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieren1234 Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 One for potential NA-T members to consider, First of all I dont mean to p*ss all over your thread kieren but no one seems to have said it, Unless you are lucky, or shrewd enough to source parts for the formerly quoted its gonna cost quite a bit more to do a 'decent' NA-T conversion, Your car will be lucky to benefit from this conversion at 7psi, afterall you are losing the response of being an N/A The main saving in this type of conversion will be labour costs, but we are all enthusiasts here, if you have the time, this could be done, pretty easily, with a bit of confidence and common sense. Just a bit of honest advice for a potential NA-T owner that thinks they will spend their next months wage on this type of conversion to find out that they gotta spend the next months to finish it...then the next and maybe the next! All i am doing is creating a walkthrough and parts list to "help" people, i never said they will be able to do it as cheaply as i have or whether its reliable or not. Im just trying to help people that want to attempt this on their own............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 1) m45sey 2) dr_blackman 3) fla$ha$h 4) Marco79 5) Simon2610 6) ultra_supra...jus incase i end up keepin the sup 7) Rovervi 8) Elmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Indeed, and fair play to you, just gotta beware what gets taken out of context by other members, when they budget for 1300quid and then find that if they actually manage to achieve the build its very unreliable... Then the stories of all these single turbo conversions emerge(which have done already), that they arent very reliable, which directly affects me and every one of you supra owners out there, where your resale value plummets and the 'supra' name is tarnished to the state its in today... In theory if your parts manage to hold up then you have still achieved a very cheap build once mapped at around 2grand...but for some thats still a huge investment on a car that is depreciating so fast... I'm just not feeling the love at the moment...think I need a hug:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Your car will be lucky to benefit from this conversion at 7psi, afterall you are losing the response of being an N/A Quote from Bromy... “Boostlogic kit with the PT61 made 283 at the wheels at 0.35bar around (5psi) before the head gasket change, and that was with a safc2 which was running rich.” 283 at the wheels is stock tt power'ish i think. Bromy had 650cc injectors trimmed down by the safc, but if Keiren can get the fuel in to do the job without det then this sort of power figure i suspect is obtainable. Bromy also never complained of a loss of torque/response low down, after all the engine is still on the same compression there is just a little more exhaust restriction, but as going NA-T means no front CAT maybe the loss of this restriction offsets the increase from the turbo (complete guess i've no idea on the actual effects here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieren1234 Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 Thanks for that scooter, i was trying to remember Bromy. He made really good numbers on 5psi. His setup is very similar to mine. Is getting mapped at a very good price of £150 thanks to a brilliant member on here. Using det cans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Boostlogic kit with the PT61 made 283 at the wheels at 0.35bar around (5psi) before the head gasket change, and that was with a safc2 which was running rich I'm sorry dont believe that, over 300 bhp at 5psi?? Someones having a Giraffe ere! Lemme see the graph... Your forgetting the most important thing about response in a N/A there scooter, the intake path Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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