Inferno Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Thanks for the update mate - any chance of seeing a dyno sheet or some HP numbers? Haven't updated this thread for a while but I thought I'd add a little overview of my experiences/problems. 1- The PHR Street kit oil return did not fit on my Jap spec rhd car due to the steering rack. I bought a 60 degree aerospace 10an female hose fitting hoping that it would clear but it didn't (-10JIC Doubleswivel- Aeroquip http://www.thinkauto.com/acatalog/On_line_shop_Female_60o_fitting_69.html). The oil kit comes with a mounting bracket (to fit to the block) and a straight male to male (10AN to NPTF I believe). This male male adapter sticks out too far. I actually botched this using a 90 degree female to male adapter from B&Q and haven't seen any leaks. I believe the best way around this problem is to buy a 45 or 90 degree 10AN to 1/2inch NPTF male to male adapter which will screw into the PHE adapter plate. Think auto have some. FBM2024 -10JIC x 1/2NPTF- aluminium http://www.thinkauto.com/acatalog/On_line_shop_JIC_to_NPTF__AN823___166.html MMA98-10-8 -10JIC x 1/2NPTF- aluminium http://www.thinkauto.com/acatalog/On_line_shop_JIC_to_NPTF_173.html I have heard that another way to get round this problem is turning one of the subframe bolts upside down however I didn't fancy doing this. 2- Turbo exhuast pipe. This will not fit the Jap cars and on my kit the exhuast pipe actually hit the screamer pipe. This didn't matter to me too much as I had a different exhuast pipe made up however it's worth checking when the kit arrives. 3- Remember to fit fuel resistant rubber o-rings to your injectors/fpr/rail etc. I didn't and it took me an age to take it all off and refit them properly. I got mine from http://www.speedflow.co.uk/z510.htm 4 - spark plugs. When starting and tuning initially don't use iridiums. I rendered a brand new set of IK24 useless in about 50 miles from overfuelling. Get some cleanable ones will sorting out initial maps and then put the good ones in for fine tuning. 5 - AEM ecu's are complicated for a begginner! Living on the south coast there are not many specialist tuners around and exceptionally few that can map AEM's. I ended up driving a long way to pay for mine to get mapped and when I got the car back it still didn't idle with some very weird AEM idle settings. Mine wasn't a custom map from scratch however the tuner adapted another map with different map sensor and injector settings. Whilst this hasn't caused any major problems the map scale is off. You pays your money.......... In hind sight, if I were to do my small single install again I'd probably go for a piggyback system for simplicity. 6 - I had a number of stalling problems with my car after the all the kit was fitted. When the engine got hot and you drove to a stop the engine would cut out. Also had a big dip in RPM when pressing the throttle from idle. After a lot of fiddling I found the main poblem to be the throttle plate resting position and ICV% Vs RPM table on the AEM. After reading the manual properly, when setting the idle you should do so with the ICV off and no extra load on the engine (aircon, lights etc). You adjust the resting Throttle position first to get to your idle target. After this has been completed you can set your ICV% vs RPM for your RPM range and engine loads. This may seem obvious to advanced tuners but for a novice like me took me about a month to figure out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supradibbs Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Not sure I would be confident to run positive boost on a map that seems to have been cobbled together from a different car mate, who mapped it ? Agreed AEM is a complicated piece of kit as you well know not sure as to why the guy who mapped it is doing so if he is not up to speed with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpslaughter1982 Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share Posted October 1, 2007 (Who mapped your AEM and why is the scale off? ) sorry but I don't want to name names. I know it's good for people to know and if anyone really needs to know I don't mind talking via PM or other but posts complaining can go a bit crazy and I don't want to be involved in that. I believe the scale is off because it's not set up with the correct MAP sensor settings. It's got a load offset and different scalar to the standard settings for a 3.5 bar aem sensor. (And that doesnt account for labour costs - which would apply in my case - how much labour is involved (approx) ? ) I don't really know how long it would take a skilled mechanic to do all the work, it's taken me nearly a year working every other weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpslaughter1982 Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share Posted October 1, 2007 I think this is the current map that is in my car for peoples info only (I cannot take any responsibility if people use it etc blah blah). All comments are welcome, I'm still working on the idlecurrent.V1.19.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpslaughter1982 Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share Posted October 1, 2007 these are before dyno plots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpslaughter1982 Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share Posted October 1, 2007 After dyno plots, I'm really happy with the drive (apart from idle). Nice and progressive. Much better than twins I think, especially between 3 and 4 k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 You're right, the scales are off - unless you will be hitting 4bar of positive boost Anyway, what boost are you running to ? I need to look at this at home tonight mate, will PM you my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpslaughter1982 Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share Posted October 1, 2007 the car was mapped upto 1.4 bar but I've only been driving it up to 1 bar. Feels quick enough to me and a bit safer while things are still being sorted out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 As mentioned before you are wasting half the map resolution with the current load breakpoint setup, the RPM breakpoints look good. There is no boost fuel cut set. Looking in your garage you have a manual box but the gear ratios have not been setup and the autobox control is still enabled, this doesnt cause any issues but is nice to have it setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpslaughter1982 Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share Posted October 1, 2007 Cheers, I've decided to start again with my map. I'll post up my progress. I think it would be good for AEM users to have some more stuff on this site. The AEM site is OK but not too 'new user' friendly. I appreciate this forums help and hopefully I'll be able to help others at some point. As mentioned before you are wasting half the map resolution with the current load breakpoint setup, the RPM breakpoints look good. There is no boost fuel cut set. Looking in your garage you have a manual box but the gear ratios have not been setup and the autobox control is still enabled, this doesnt cause any issues but is nice to have it setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Are you doing this yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpslaughter1982 Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 I was going to but I've been talking to some others on the forum and it looks like I'll be able to get some much needed and very appreciated help. I'll keep the post updated with what's going on when I know more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpslaughter1982 Posted October 3, 2007 Author Share Posted October 3, 2007 I’m trying to sort out the battery offset for the SARD 650cc Hi-Imp injectors I have fitted. The required info is not in the AEM set up wizard. From the AEM forum I have found that people have tried the following settings: 2550 2550 2550 2550 2520 2030 1750 1500 ???? 1250 1080 2550 2550 2550 2290 2100 1890 1730 1620 1500 1420 1300 I haven’t found anything definitive yet. I did have someone else’s map who was using the SARD 650s but it’s at my mates house at the moment who is away on holiday. Has anyone else used these injectors with an AEM? I have also heard that the SARD 650 injectors are the same as the Denso and Holley injectors. Has anyone heard of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADL Mark Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Richard, do you know exactly which adaptor you ordered from Think Auto, as I'd like to buy the adaptor ready for when my kit turns up next week. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpslaughter1982 Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share Posted October 4, 2007 Richard, do you know exactly which adaptor you ordered from Think Auto, as I'd like to buy the adaptor ready for when my kit turns up next week. Cheers I ordered a 45 degree female hose end as I thought this would bolt onto the staight male to male connection that came with the pick. From the pic of my car you can see that I've fitted a 90 degree fitting to the adapter plate which is a bit of a botch. I cannot advise you to do it this way. I believe your best bet is to mimic the kit that Homer had on his car. This will involve buying a 45 degree male to male adapter. I believe the sizes of this are 10An to 1/2 inch NPTF. I wonder if Homer could confirm this. I have stolen some pics from Homer's build thread (I hope you don't mind Homer) to hopefully explain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpslaughter1982 Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 Just been looking at my map trying to figure out some of the problems. I see in the ignition phasing options, ignition sync is set to 0.09. Is this correct? On the aem forum they have always said not to mess with the ignition sync. Also the coil dwell vs batt volts table has been altered compared to every other map i have seen. Is this to do with the HKS dli? Has anyone with a DLI and aem adjusted their coil dwell settings and if so how. many thanks for any help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 I see in the ignition phasing options, ignition sync is set to 0.09. Is this correct? On the aem forum they have always said not to mess with the ignition sync. Also the coil dwell vs batt volts table has been altered compared to every other map i have seen. Is this to do with the HKS dli? Has anyone with a DLI and aem adjusted their coil dwell settings and if so how. many thanks for any help Can you email me your cal file to look at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 I run a HKS DLI, here are my dwell settings :- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpslaughter1982 Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 Can you email me your cal file to look at? my cal is on post 104. It's been slightly modified since it was posted (scales etc) but the settings for coil dwell and ignition sync I believe are the same. my coil dwell looks very similar if not identical to yours which I guess means it is right. what do you have as far as ignition sync is concerned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Any chance you can post or email the current cal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpslaughter1982 Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 here's the dwell and settings under ignition phasing tab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Dwell settings look ok to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 What size injectors are you running, what boost controller are you using and what transmission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpslaughter1982 Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 What size injectors are you running, what boost controller are you using and what transmission. 650cc Sard injectors,blitz dsbc and 6 speed getrag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 650cc Sard injectors,blitz dsbc and 6 speed getrag PM`ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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