Mad Hatter Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I apologise if this is old news but I've just been informed by my local indy, not only of my mot failure but the reason why ... As the car has no cat anymore it is now an immediate failure! [sHOCK][/sHOCK] He wasn't lying either https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/275427/mot-special-notice-1-2014.pdf So having spent all week, cleaning, changing bits, de-rusting, oiling, scrubbing some more, getting the f'ing thing to start, run and drive as I remember it once did. It bloody fails because the second cat is missing. Now having walked home in the pissing rain leaving the car in the shop so I can dig through my garage and hope I didn't throw the cat out. Just thought you should all know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordy.r Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 The way it is worded is deceptive. Is this just on diesel powered vehicles...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 You talking about the supra? If so why is it a diesel??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Hatter Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 The tester said it applies to both petrol or diesel. Cat for petrol, part' filter for diesel. The simple rule is, if you have removed it then the MOT is an instant fail. no getting around it I'm afraid. He also mentioned that the company on the same industrial estate who offer the diesel dfp removal are about to go out of business because of it ... not happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 If the DPF is obviously removed or has been opened up and welded back together, it's a fail. Petrol Cat removal only applies where a full Cat test is required. I.e. 2JZ-GE Supra is exempt from a full cat test before 1st August '95. Recieves a pre cat test, therefore a catalyst doesn't have to be present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 The tester said it applies to both petrol or diesel. Cat for petrol, part' filter for diesel. The simple rule is, if you have removed it then the MOT is an instant fail. no getting around it I'm afraid. He also mentioned that the company on the same industrial estate who offer the diesel dfp removal are about to go out of business because of it ... not happy. Go back and slap him Then tell him to learn his job and to do it properly. That article is for diesels only, hence it says diesel on it. There is another section for petrol cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Hatter Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 I'll go to the DfT on this and see what they say. I'd be over the moon if you're right! He was adamant that the wording is"catalyst" and "particulate on diesel cars" and not "catalyst and particulate" on diesel cars. Massive difference between the two, though I do agree the wording is very poor. It doesn't change the fact that he has put into the computer that the cat has been removed, the test stopped with an instant fail.... we're in the world that the computer said no and the MOT tested is little more than a trained monkey following a checklist. At this point I would really love a MOT trained member to set the record straight ... anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Yeah benjy ^^ is an MOT tester lol What supra do you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Hatter Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 TT ... pretty standard besides the suck and blow being less restricted. I put a fair bit of work through my indy so though i'd never like to tell him how to do his job, if there were a sheet of paper saying he has the wrong end of the stick and it is for diesels only I'd happily bring it to his attention. (and get my car back) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Hatter Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 Ok, i've found what I didn't want to see .. i think he is right. http://www.partinfo.co.uk/files/VOSA%20Inspection%20Manual%20Classes%203%204%205%20&%207.pdf Section 7.1 simply says that a catalytic converter mission where one was fitted as standard is a reason for rejection (MOT fail) it doesn't mention anything regarding petrol or diesel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 You keep saying Indy, what car failed the mot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Does anyone read my posts...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Does anyone read my posts...? You can't really blame them though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 You can't really blame them though I'm just going to give up. And sit here with a big smug grin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 If the DPF is obviously removed or has been opened up and welded back together, it's a fail. Petrol Cat removal only applies where a full Cat test is required. I.e. 2JZ-GE Supra is exempt from a full cat test before 1st August '95. Recieves a pre cat test, therefore a catalyst doesn't have to be present. HTH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I'm just going to give up. And sit here with a big smug grin... ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 If the DPF is obviously removed or has been opened up and welded back together, it's a fail. Petrol Cat removal only applies where a full Cat test is required. I.e. 2JZ-GE Supra is exempt from a full cat test before 1st August '95. Recieves a pre cat test, therefore a catalyst doesn't have to be present. HTH. Well, I'm glad that, at the very least, someone agrees with me! ??? http://www.goldthorpesalver.com/userimages/SillothDigital_064.JPG More like this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 More like this... http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/09/d566cca78964f24002ad797859c93b5e.jpg Uncanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 My 97 failed for not having a CAT only 4 weeks ago. Put the first CAT back in down the road and brought it back. Instant pass..!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Hatter Posted October 10, 2014 Author Share Posted October 10, 2014 My 97 failed for not having a CAT only 4 weeks ago. Put the first CAT back in down the road and brought it back. Instant pass..!! It is still as clear as mud to me. Mine has failed for the same reason, so unless I can show the garage a vosa/dft/mot rules type document that shows they have performed the test incorrectly, then no cat still means an instant fail. I appreciate the help from everyone, Benjy seems to know his stuff .... Is there a doc you can point me to that I can shove under their nose and get my car back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 It's still as clear as mud to me as to what car you have. Year? Engine? Model? RZ? GZ? SZ? NA-TT..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Hatter Posted October 10, 2014 Author Share Posted October 10, 2014 Hi Benjy, 94' 2JZ-GTE TT RZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 It's a fail. You need a cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listy Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Just take it somewhere friendly like the rest of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Surprised our resident mot tester benjy hasn't popped up in here yet - - - Updated - - - Just take it somewhere friendly like the rest of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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