dude Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Lol. Remove the http:// and and replace with and I'll try again in a min, just going for Fish and Chips:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supradibbs Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 sigh. not wanting to start an internet argument but as per usual with this type of subject, like welded diffs, the people against who will tell you its dangerous are people who have "HEARD FROM OTHERS" its dangerous not experienced it. im stating that i myself, and a good 20 odd people i know, have been running what youd class stretched tyres for years, with NO issues like i said, id say anything up to 225/40 on a 10j is FINE. i base that on ACTUAL EXPERIENCE and that isnt retarded euro look stretch for the sake of it. it still handles and performs as well, if not better than a bigger tyre. now on the other hand, stupid stretch i.e 195/205 on a 10j is retarded and serves no purpose other than "look at me" so yeah agreed, its a waste of time and may well be dangerous but it angers me when people say ooooh 245 on a 10j thats a mega stretch and will kill you ok what purpose does not to fit correct tyres to a rim serve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 As mentioned a few times already in this thread .... To get a wide arse wheel to fit under stock arches for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 As mentioned a few times already in this thread .... To get a wide arse wheel to fit under stock arches for one. Correct me if im wrong dude but isn't the idea of a wide arse wheel to fit a wide arse tyre to, bit like having a veilside surge tank and fitting a smaller than stock TB to it!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 I'll try again in a min, just going for Fish and Chips:) Fuuucking hell John this pic better be worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 Correct me if im wrong dude but isn't the idea of a wide arse wheel to fit a wide arse tyre to, bit like having a veilside surge tank and fitting a smaller than stock TB to it!!!! I agree 100% regarding the rear wheels mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 It wont be cool if it aint got any camber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Reid Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Right sorry about the picture quality but none of my cameras work well in the dark. Top picture is 225/40/18, bottom is 235/40/18, both on 9.5J. The 235 looks more stretched than it is, as its a goodyear and has a large rim protector making the sidewall look strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcarrter21 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 i ran 215 45 17 on the rear . i was desperate for tyres for mot. was fun with bpu power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 I stretched my underpants on today, I can tell you that having your big back wheels hanging out the side ain't comfortable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 I stretched my underpants on today, I can tell you that having your big back wheels hanging out the side ain't comfortable! Ouch. .... I hope when u get some proper fitting pants your backside goes back to a normal state Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 Cheers David. The 235 looks more than the 225 !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 (edited) Tyre design is crucial to a tyres performance. Grip is directly related to tyre temperature. A classic illustration of how temperature influences grip was the last F1 race. Tyres designed for road use have been carefully designed to maintain a design operating temperature. There are three main generators of heat in a tyre, the first is the interaction of the tire and the road surface, second is the movement of the tread blocks, and the third is the movement of the side wall. By stretching a road tyre beyond it's design limits, you dramatically reduce the heat generated by the last two factors, as you are restricting the designed movement. Less heat = less grip. So it just makes no sense in car performance or safety terms to over stretch a tyre. It there is a big difference between a drift car,which is used on a circuit, where grip is an enemy and a road car where the best grip possible is of paramount importance in terms of road safety and improved performance. Tyres also perform a major role in the suspension system, where an over stretched tyre will compromise that too. It would be interesting to hear an insurance company's view, I am pretty sure it would concur with the tyre manufactures view. Edited October 28, 2010 by Terminator (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcAB10 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 heres a funny thing for you, a guy up here in Aberdeen has an mx5 with a fairly big stretch on the tyres, he got pulled over a few weeks back and the police were trying to do him for having a dangerous vehicle, it ended up that he got let off with it. One week later, a good friend of mine who owns a glanza gets pulled by different police officers for a check over basically, he runs a small stretch on his tyres but the wheels do stick out a bit.. what was the police advise to him..... either get wheels that fit or.... get a MORE STRETCHED tyre so that the tread is in the arches.. explaine that one... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 heres a funny thing for you, a guy up here in Aberdeen has an mx5 with a fairly big stretch on the tyres, he got pulled over a few weeks back and the police were trying to do him for having a dangerous vehicle, it ended up that he got let off with it. One week later, a good friend of mine who owns a glanza gets pulled by different police officers for a check over basically, he runs a small stretch on his tyres but the wheels do stick out a bit.. what was the police advise to him..... either get wheels that fit or.... get a MORE STRETCHED tyre so that the tread is in the arches.. explaine that one... lol Thats the problem, its down to the coppers discretion and what he thinks. How would you answer Terminators statement in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purity14 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 explaine that one... lol Rule is that ALL tire tread must be under the arch. If wheel sticks out, and tyre tread is sticking out = illegal if wheel sticks out, and tyre is stretched, thus tyre is not sticking out = legal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcAB10 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Thats the problem, its down to the coppers discretion and what he thinks. How would you answer Terminators statement in court. yeah, that is the problem, you'd at least think that areas of police would have a little bit of the same opinion on a subject though.. instead of one trying to get someone done for stretch and another advising to stretch, it's crazy! and i agree, you can't argue on terminators post, and i also agree that overstretched tyres and the extreme stretch look is ridiculous.. but i will admit that a small stretch to get the wheels sitting right can look good, i like a little bit of poke is all lol, it's just personal opinion. Rule is that ALL tire tread must be under the arch. If wheel sticks out, and tyre tread is sticking out = illegal if wheel sticks out, and tyre is stretched, thus tyre is not sticking out = legal yeah this is the whole reason for stretching tyres and why it was ever 'invented', at least thats what i thought... i mean it's not suppose to be the stretch thats 'cool' it's suppose to be the wide wheels and how they sit, the stretch is only there to achieve the look and still be legal, at least thats what i thought anywhoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 Interesting!!! So any pics of a 235/45 tyre? Will it be a lot different in looks to the 235/40? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcAB10 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 and so you can see, this is the mx5 from aberdeen that the police tried to get done... and i'm not fucking surprised! lol http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs380.snc4/44294_460621950406_728020406_6334927_6402629_n.jpg http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs300.snc4/41358_460622180406_728020406_6334931_412304_n.jpg this is just ridiculous.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsween Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 So is that heap of a car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 I think the whole sticking out side the wheel arch thing is totally missing the point. A driver has a responsibility to ensure the car is fit for the road. When a tyre is fitted to a rim that is outside or inside the rim sizes specified by the manufacturer it is outside the safety standard for which the tyre is designed. Therefore the car is not fit for use on public roads, insurance will be invalid. Your insurance company will have to pay out to third parties, then come after you to recoup losses. If personal injury claims are involved you would be screwed to the end of your days. Of all the things to modify on a car, over stretching the tyres must be the craziest mod of all, I don't think those who do it have really thought it through. Whether you think it looks cool or not, you are messing with the very last thing that keeps you car on the road. To intentionally compromise that essential road/tyre interaction is irresponsible, totally selfish and stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 Just had a thought about the rears. Instead of bunging on the 295/35 R888, i might stick a 273/35 Avon for the short term. Reason for my thinking is the 275 will give a slight stretch and will prob mean i can drive the car for now without touching the arches. This then allows me to drive it for a bit while i wait to get the rear arches done. Also being as the whether is so crap i womt be giving it much wot so traction might not be too much of an issue??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 What is the problem with the 295's, with the right offset they should fit without touching the arches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Reid Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Thats the problem, its down to the coppers discretion and what he thinks. How would you answer Terminators statement in court. I would pull out the paper my university lecturer gave us in 3rd year of Chassis dynamic and handlind which shows that roll stiffness is increased with tyre stretch. I would basically use facts against hearsay and internet chat. The Insurance bit has already been covered, ring up to "update your poilcy details" give them the new wheel sizes and tyres sizes at the same time. Then they were informed and if they have any problem they should state it when informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 I run 285's on my car, no arch rubbing at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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