Dragonlady Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share Posted February 12, 2007 Bingo! Stock 440's Now I'm completely confused. Does this mean we maybe running hybrids? How can the first graph look feasible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Now I'm completely confused. Does this mean we maybe running hybrids? This means it is unlikely, and the graphs indicate it is possible that they used jiggery pokery to give you 470 hp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 The top of the injector can be seen here Cheers, I wont tell you what bit I was looking at! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlady Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share Posted February 12, 2007 This means it is unlikely, and the graphs indicate it is possible that they used jiggery pokery to give you 470 hp Do you know of an independant RR company in the midlands you can trust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Cheers, I wont tell you what bit I was looking at! about time you changed your signature dude BTW: check out my post http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=1260605&postcount=20 the link ANOTHER GUIDE HERE - tells you exactly where each bits are..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Now I'm completely confused. Does this mean we maybe running hybrids? How can the first graph look feasible? I confess I know nothing about this myself. But my understanding from the comments in the other thread were : 1) Stock turbos can't give you 470bhp, so to obtain that you would need hybrids (or your stock turbos wouldn't last long). 2) Even with hybrids - you cannot get more than 420bhp with stock injectors. If I understand correctly - regardless of whether you have hybrids or not, it is not possible to get 470bhp with those injectors - hence the numbers cannot be right. I'm sure somebody will correct these comments if they are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Now I'm completely confused. Does this mean we maybe running hybrids? How can the first graph look feasible? Hybrids are still a possibilty, but as mentioned in the other thread that will make negible difference to the peak power. The injectors are the limiting factor here. Looking at the figures on the graph, the torque is simply too high. This would indicate too high a correction factor when calculating the flywheel figure. Its very common and used by many (reputable) tuners to keep customers happy (mkivstore for exmaple used a 33% correction factor on the auto's!) What would be good to see is the wheel figure, thats the only one worth looking at. Anything else is guesswork. EDIT - DaveK - Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStar 3000 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 good thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk-rich Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Do you know of an independant RR company in the midlands you can trust? john noble motorsport in chesterfield, have used them, there mapper really knows his onions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 john noble motorsport in chesterfield, have used them, there mapper really knows his onions What about turbos, does he know turbos?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk-rich Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 he knows you, and he says you are a @@@@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 he knows you, and he says you are a @@@@ How very rude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlady Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share Posted February 12, 2007 Wife has just set off to London, (WATCH OUT FOR OCTAVIAS), so I don't know how to scan and post graph. I have the wheel figures graph in front of me. RWHP was 375.5 max, shows boost pressure at 1-1.1bar between approx 4600 and 5600. AFR dipped to 9.9 around 5300rpm. What I don't understand is that on the RR day in Sept everyone was getting figures that they expected. We olny expected to be getting close to 400hp thinking that we were only BPU. But were supprised at getting 447 on the day. And that was running rich. Is there anything else that could hike up the power on std injectors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 about time you changed your signature dude BTW: check out my post http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=1260605&postcount=20 the link ANOTHER GUIDE HERE - tells you exactly where each bits are..... Errm, I did look at that and still wasn't sure! Like I said I'm a muppet with mechanics! Oh, sig changed. I was holding fire until the injector thing was confirmed - I may as well leave the figures though cus I like em! To be fair to Weston, on the day I went of the 20 or so cars that went on everyone got figures they ecpected. If anything a few of the Scooby owners were disappointed with their results. And they didn't try and sell anything to anyone on the back of their dyno's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Were you the only auto there that day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Is there anything else that could hike up the power on std injectors? Only if the rail pressure was increased (not a good idea) Looks like your fuel pressure hasn't been increased though as the pic shows a stock FPR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Were you the only auto there that day? Who me or Dragonlady? I was the only auto when I was there I think, mostly Scoobys. An RS Focus and an RX7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk-rich Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 found the tel no 01246272749, but you will need to book ahead as they tend to be very busy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlady Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share Posted February 12, 2007 Were you the only auto there that day? Don't know, but I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlady Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share Posted February 12, 2007 My head hurts now. Am going to do some work for an hour or two and then come back to see if anybody has solved my confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadyn Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 get the car down the strip, if I can hit a low 13 second 1/4 with 380-400bhp, Your car should hit the mid 12s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 get the car down the strip, if I can hit a low 13 second 1/4 with 380-400bhp, Your car should hit the mid 12s hehe. Isn't it the terminal speed that is supposed to be the best indicator of power though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadyn Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getrag Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Is this not obvious to anyone else? Rolling Road creating inflated pwhp (pub wheel horse power). Try another place. Next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Not necesarily. It could have higher lift cams? I know most poo poo the power figures I got at the hubs on Thors dyno and also the second set I had done at the wheels which where 395 at the hubs and 370 at the wheels but thats what I got on stock tubbies with stock injectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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