supra_aero Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Surely can't be that hard given how far technology and turbos etc have progressed since 1995 to make a reliable affordable na t kit. Why people focus on the tt model when bpu is fairly decent as is and there already are plethora of kits already out and there are thousands of na owners screaming for a kit makes no sense to me. Didn't mean to take anything away from your kit just saying if you are doing the venture to make money you d make a ton more making a na t kit I d have expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBDevelopments Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 yes it was the amuse that used an oem manifold and adaptor like i've adapted. well once i can test and prove this internal wastegate modifications work fine like i think they will it gives me a great bolt on turbocharger, all i need to do is the NA manifold fitment Anyway had a few mins spare so started working on the coolant and oil lines. This is what you'll expect https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23550152_1941668679429765_6635752343691704734_o.jpg?oh=64e5c6e682e1a64261d36475f087cba2&oe=5A672129 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemanhead Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 there are thousands of na owners screaming for a kit makes no sense to me. Didn't mean to take anything away from your kit just saying if you are doing the venture to make money you d make a ton more making a na t kit I d have expected. Your own statement kind of answers your initial question. Kits carry development costs and serious time input. n/a owners want everything cheap, ridiculously cheap. So how is a business going to make a 'ton of money' from people that aren't prepared to spend any? An N/A car will require even more spending just to run this simple kit. Unfortunately from a financial perspective you are better off selling up and moving onto a turbo car, which is what alot have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Your own statement kind of answers your initial question. Kits carry development costs and serious time input. n/a owners want everything cheap, ridiculously cheap. So how is a business going to make a 'ton of money' from people that aren't prepared to spend any? An N/A car will require even more spending just to run this simple kit. Unfortunately from a financial perspective you are better off selling up and moving onto a turbo car, which is what alot have done. I kinda agree I suppose. I actually looked at na t kits after my statement and to be fair they are cheaper than I had thought they were (been a while since I last checked). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemanhead Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Yup, I think they are pretty reasonable and there is an established second hand market out there now. Just got to bite the bullet, it does hit the bank balance pretty hard but it's probably as good as it will ever be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Great work Tim. I've seen the design and test fab fitting in the flesh and it's unreal. A no brainer for those that want more power without the full expense of a typical single setup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley1500 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Very interested. Have you got any predicted costs and an expected time scale of when the kits will be ready to purchase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBDevelopments Posted November 17, 2017 Author Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) not sure yet for the setup kind of price. Remember the turbo alone is typically £1500+ in the UK. anyway a few more developments with the prototype of the coolant and oil drain. https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23561426_1942959959300637_1852179747528917220_n.jpg?oh=70db42236da6599a854e70a61875e27c&oe=5A8CAC72 Like always, open to suggestions and constructive criticism Tim TB Developments Edited March 10, 2018 by TBDevelopments (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonc Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Wow well done Tim. Starting to look the part. Testing figures and test drives will be interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Putting my annoyance that you have beaten me to this solution aside, I see one big flaw but it's easily rectified at no real cost. Toyota split the high nickel content iron manifold with the stainless flexible bellows to allow the considerable lengthwise expansion and contraction of both manifold and head. You have a bridge in the backplate of your manifold that negates this! Put a 3mm or so slot in it so each half is separate! Great solution, nice and simple. A similar sort of adaptor would allow two small wastegated turbos for better spool still, obviously none sequential though. Good luck, nice work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Putting my annoyance that you have beaten me to this solution aside, I see one big flaw but it's easily rectified at no real cost. Toyota split the high nickel content iron manifold with the stainless flexible bellows to allow the considerable lengthwise expansion and contraction of both manifold and head. You have a bridge in the backplate of your manifold that negates this! Put a 3mm or so slot in it so each half is separate! Great solution, nice and simple. A similar sort of adaptor would allow two small wastegated turbos for better spool still, obviously none sequential though. Good luck, nice work! Keeping it twin but fast spooling would also be very interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBDevelopments Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share Posted November 18, 2017 hey guys, the large brace in the back is to give the tubular some support against cracking. To be honest i was tempted on a testbed version to try it with and without the flexi in the oem cast manifold purely for experimenting with sound. The other thing to remember is yes the manifold is there with a flexi setup but even in OEM design apart from movement on the clamped studs/nuts there is zero free movement of the system after the turbocharger flanges anyway. I did think of doing a twin turbo system but after researching into what guys are doing with garrett turbos on the rb26 engines it appears that a modern generation small single is producing more torque and power, but also faster spool than 2 smaller sized twins. The other downside to the twin design is, well its 2 turbos so twice the costing of everything.. Scouring back through dynos etc it appears the larger turbocharger to what i plan to use the GT3582r was spooling extremely fast anyway. Under 3000rpm there was zero effects on power and torque compared to Jspec OEM in sequential mode but nothing but big gains after 3000rpm. But also giving a linear power band instead of the push then large kick the OEM produces. Chris i'd love to take all the credit for this idea but i have openly nicked the design from the long time discontinued power house amuse setup that used a HKS gt30r turbo to very good success. I'm just doing my own take on this using much thicker stainless manifold and redesign to the piping layouts to bring it more inline with a Toyota produced system and using modern turbocharger designs. Remember because these are modular the new G series of turbos are out shortly from garrett as well, so as long as i can get the internal wastegate housings for that turbine wheel its a viable option. if not they will 100% fit onto the Street Max kit i'm doing also (will be posting pictures once its back from porting), But this kit also gives the options for using things like borg (slightly different water pipes needed) or even the precision range of turbochargers. Although Garrett will be my main option and flagship recommendation for purchase. Tim TB Developments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBDevelopments Posted November 24, 2017 Author Share Posted November 24, 2017 While waiting for parts for the customer cars i managed to get a start on the Heat shield prototype. this is the test piece but the finished items will be mirror polished or a matt glass blasted effect. https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23843417_1945666135696686_7474511228659199291_n.jpg?oh=093ed9108720aee154d521849e2a94a2&oe=5A8F87F3 Tim TB Developments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squiffy Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 I know this sounds impatient and obviously you have more testing etc to do, but do you have a rough idea when you are aiming to have these available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 I think this is brilliant, interesting watching the development Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBDevelopments Posted November 25, 2017 Author Share Posted November 25, 2017 thanks guys. no confirmed dates yet but i'm plugging away with it any spare minute i get. The downpipe is done apart from the sheet metal around the wastegate exit, I'm waiting on a CNC metal dolly to be made so i can use that as a tool to repeatedly produce that shape. apart from measuring up the lines, and then the biggest bit is the wastegate actuator mountings and positioning its basically done. bar the testing. The other kit, the Street Max, the manifold is off being ported and polished and the wastegate plates are at the CNC shop ready to be cut, so i'll post more information on that kit once the bits come back and i can show something off. But again this will share some similarities to the BPU Max kit, is the oil,coolant line layout, Very similar heat shield etc. Thanks for looking Tim TB Developments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Any more updates Tim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squiffy Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 ^as above, i'd be keen to know if there is any progress on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty338 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 great work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBDevelopments Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 sorry for the delays on this guys, with all the customer deadlines i've had to put it on the back burna for a while but back to normal backlog deadlines so i've done some bits in the down hours Progress on the BPU Max downpipe, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBDevelopments Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 wastegate door modifications done. the actuator bracket is done as well, so i'll re-edit this post with pictures of that monday and video of it operating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squiffy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Great work, looking good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBDevelopments Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 Street Max Kit, Update Manifold CNC work and porting work done for the cast manifold used in the street max kit. This is opened up to a 44mm Wastegate. The bolt on piece that goes between this and the wastegate is being CNC'd as we speak So pictures to follow https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/28872518_1996493293947303_8129523959113711616_o.jpg?oh=955721691700eb4528ea45b4fb0e47fc&oe=5B3544CE[i/mg]</p><p> [img]https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/29025464_1996493330613966_9098043538242797568_o.jpg?oh=27161c9245098930969ee92598caffc9&oe=5B363ACC[i/mg]</p><p> [img]https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/29027895_1996493380613961_4534085734734233600_o.jpg?oh=0fbc621f50a89ee25218b5798707c220&oe=5B013684 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBDevelopments Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 Because these kits are designed to be a OEM Toyota quality i wasn't happy providing a kit with push on water feeds for the Garrett turbo so I've modified some OEM parts that will be included in the Turbo kits, but these are on an exchange basis so i can modify the returned ones for the next customer. i'll probably have these for sale separately for people who want to update another brands turbo kit to these type water feeds, or water removal for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBDevelopments Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 I was recently asked to make some fittings to fit a Precision DBB turbo to a supra. So i've used these designs to add a Precision turbo option into my Street Max Kits. Billet Stainless AN12 Oil Drains Clean and Simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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