martini Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Hi guys, long time no see There are a few old threads on the FT-86, but I was sent these images today: Of course this is not a 3L turbo engine, but it is nice to see something sporty from Toyota (and Subaru) and not just electric cars and other boring shapes. I am going to the Tokyo Motor Show, and will report back in due course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geo Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 was looking at these last night for my new company car. only 200bhp though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 All show and no go.... Where have i heard that before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 All show and no go.... Where have i heard that before Your Mrs said it to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilkinson Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Hi guys, long time no see There are a few old threads on the FT-86, but I was sent these images today: http://i.imgur.com/BfBVL.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JNqPq.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7Z7DS.jpg http://i.imgur.com/CGJ2Y.jpg http://i.imgur.com/VnRzo.jpg Of course this is not a 3L turbo engine, but it is nice to see something sporty from Toyota (and Subaru) and not just electric cars and other boring shapes. I am going to the Tokyo Motor Show, and will report back in due course. I take it there are no more rumours about the Supra in Japan after the recent speculation from Toyota? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Looks nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Its no new Supra, its a Scion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westy Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Nice colour! shame it won't have a turbo!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Thread merged with the rest of 'em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) To read this thread you would think that the definition of a sports car is "its got a turbo". Has no one spotted that despite being normally aspirated, the engine pushes out as close to 100BHP / litre (74.5kW/litre) as makes no difference? That's not only a damn good achievement in a road car engine full stop, but its also massively bucking the current trends in engine development. Despite what you might think (having got used to twin turbo 3 litre units as being "the norm") this is, by today's standards, a large engine for that size of car. I just did a whistle-stop tour of my database of current engines and I didn't find anything above 61kW/litre that didn't have a turbo. Its not an exhaustive list but its a good indicator of how things are heading. The good news for all you turbo nuts is that in a very few years time pretty much every new gasoline engine will have a turbo strapped to it. The bad news is that power levels won't increase as engines are getting downsized in recognition of the fact that even in performance cars you don't use full power all the time. Today's 1.6 litre turbos are yesterday's 2.0 litre NA's. Engineering aside, the main practical limit to the degree of downsizing is the engine's response (i.e. what we used to call turbo lag). I reckon this is the main reason why Toyota and Subaru have gone for an NA unit rather than a smaller turbo because they are headlining on fun rather than power. Still some of the specs I've seen online say it doesn't hit peak torque until over 6000RPM. Hopefully its light enough to get off the line quickly. The times, they are-a-changing. Modern engines are far more stressed and run closer to the det limit than you could imagine. Meanwhile, to save wasting energy, oil and coolant pumps are being pared down to the bare minimum and internal components are getting lighter and lighter to save mass and inertia. Bearing sizes are coming down to save on friction. All of this is going to make life very interesting for the tuners and builders. If you think a 2.0 litre NA engine in a sporty Toyota is wrong then you should see the stuff that some OEMs have on the drawing board. In terms of power, the internal combustion engine is about to have its finest hour (right before the petrol runs out). However the technology won't be used to make engines more powerful, it will be used to make them smaller and cleaner. Edited November 9, 2011 by Digsy (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I just did a whistle-stop tour of my database of current engines and I didn't find anything above 61kW/litre that didn't have a turbo. Honda K20Z4? I agree though, people get all bogged down with the facts and figures and forget the real Engineering bits that are involved. Having said that I'd love an old American V8 with 20BHP per litre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martini Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Thread merged with the rest of 'em Thanks Gaz. Impossible to search for FT-86 due to the minimum three character limit (excludes hyphens). Will drop you a mail soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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