Supra BHP record (european) ?

[Tourniquet]

There's a stock looking white one in America somewhere owned by a guy called Mark. The only things I'd say would give it away are the exaust and air duct in the head lamp. I've seen this thing go and it's rediculous - 1452 bhp at the wheels I think it was. Look him up on You Porn...er|I mean Tube

[Guest KDW]

I know Mark's monster

 

I'm interested in european ones though, but not "we sold", or "I know a guy who's mom" etc..

From my experience if a 1200 bhp Supra can't back it up with a single proof, it's BS 99% of the time!

[JamieP]

I know Mark's monster

 

I'm interested in european ones though, but not "we sold", or "I know a guy who's mom" etc..

From my experience if a 1200 bhp Supra can't back it up with a single proof, it's BS 99% of the time!

 

I agree with that, i very much doubt the crd supra was anywhere near 1400bhp, i cant think of any proven very powerful European cars except the envy car, thats itro of 1000bhp aint it?

 

Be interesting the see what the green with envy car does when finished.

 

From the sound of things your car may well take that the crown.

 

Best of luck with it and i look forward to the project thread, plenty of pics please.

[jevansio]

In post one you mention this "Record Braking" run will be happening in a few weeks, is that pic of your car a current photo, will all this work be done in a few weeks? I just thought it would take longer to put such a beast together? Any pics of the built engine? Have you got the dyno slot booked?

[Guest KDW]

I agree with that, i very much doubt the crd supra was anywhere near 1400bhp, i cant think of any proven very powerful European cars except the envy car, thats itro of 1000bhp aint it?

 

Be interesting the see what the green with envy car does when finished.

 

From the sound of things your car may well take that the crown.

 

Best of luck with it and i look forward to the project thread, plenty of pics please.

 

 

I for sure will put up plenty of dyno prints to show whatever the results will be.

I know for a fact the turbo will do 1400hp and the Titan NX setup I got is really top notch stuff.

theoretically no parameter is stopping me from pushing 1900 bhp on this setup, I do not have the balls to push it that far but thats a different issue

 

Realisticly 1600 bhp will be more like it with a 2xx shot of nitrous.

 

As I said before the engine is built to the highest specs possible (no cement), both head and block began as brand new OEM items, then line honed, billet mains, oil passages reworked, etc. no expense has been cut, and great details have been put into selecting every single part to make what I think is the perfect built.

 

Every part is the best money can buy.

Engine is built by one of the best in the industry (Dusty Womack).

Controlled by the best EMS available (Motec).

Mapped by one of the worlds biggest Motec guru's (John Reed).

Should do pretty well

 

 

 

I already have a lot of pictures from the strip down and body work.

After the weekend I will have more photos from the body shop and paint job in general, then I will start the project thread with full details and updates as often as I can

Edited September 4, 2008 by KDW (see edit history)

[Guest KDW]

If you check out my youtube movie of the old setup I don't think you will doubt that many good movies are yet to come

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLy4w069bfg

 

This car is a toy more than anything else.. it will be used for a lot of fun stuff, filmed, documented, and what not.

 

 

Oh, and it will last a long long time (I guarantee it). It's all about proper maintaince.

[bolarbag]

 

Thats all they gave you after dumping 70K into the car?? What was the torque curve like, was it carried out in 5th gear, if it was the torque could be calculated at specific points, but still a p.i.t.a

[Guest KDW]

Bolarbag it's as Baz says, there is way more to a built than the few things you mention, the total parts list is many pages long.. It all adds up.

 

Just a thing like the machining involved is very important, it matters a great deal who you have doing it when you go BIG.

It's not just swapping pistons, rods, crank and be done with it.. There's a world in difference between building a 1000 hp car and a 1400+ hp car!

 

And I couldn't care less if you guys would spend that money otherwise.. A car lke this is not for everyone obviously, otherwise we would see a lot more driving around.

 

Chassis/suspension mods are of course included in my spendings.. And yes it will do very fast times in the Qmile!

 

No it will not be a dedicated "drag car", it's merely a hoppy toy.. nothing more, nothing less. Exactly as it was on my old T51 KAI setup.. Just a tad more insanely fast

A very fast street driven Supra, capable of doing 8's with a full interior and thru a 6sp manual box

 

I'm not claiming I got what it takes to go 8's but the car will certainly be capable.. Actually many of the specs are based on Woon's setup, I just took it a little further and optimized what I felt suited. (like turbo kit, fuel system, exhaust system, EMS, etc..)

 

 

I do not regret spending the money, I would do it again.. and again!

The only thing I regret is posting about it on here

 

I will not be starting a Project thread afterall. I don't want to waste more time on silly and negative comments.

[Wez]

Are you having a compliant weld in roll cage and chute fitted?

[Guest KDW]

Are you having a compliant weld in roll cage and chute fitted?

 

Roll cage is one of the only things I haven't decided on yet, I don't know which route I wan't to go on that.

 

No chute, I don't think it would be safe to use it on the street

 

brakes are the other thing not carved in stone.. I went with a BBK setup, but I can't use it because of the small rims in the back (15"), so I have to figure something out.

[bolarbag]

Tbh, for 70K I'd be wanting something along the lines of knightrider's drag car

 

I'm not quite sure where the £70K has gone, I have a similar spec, minus turbo, bottom end and Nos, all my fluid lines have been converted to AN, I have a lot of e.t.c's and I'm in the £20K's

 

 

 

Quote:

Fully built 3.4L stroker (9.0:1 CR)

Fully built Stage 4 head

VWR intake manifold

RPS triple carbon/carbon clutch

Titan carbon driveshaft (propshaft)

Custom Titan/NX direct port Nitrous (up to 500 whp)

 

10K can easily be dumped into a 2JZ bottom end, £15K with a stroker, 1k of Nos and an extra 2k for the tubby and intake, where has the rest of the30K gone!?

 

Regardless, its just goes to show how a minimum of £40K can be dumped into a Supra pretty much on engine alone!

 

Where is my negative comments? tbh I dont really care if you do a build thread or not, their all the same in one way or another - I was genuinely enquiring as perhaps there was an area of your setup that you hadnt mentioned

 

Its your money, you do what you like with it, were all insane in someway or another on this forum, we've all dumped many thousands dumped into these old beasts, so who are we to judge?

 

I just want to see the results, if you run 8's, you need a parachute I'm sure, you also need a full weld in cage in the 9 or 10's

 

Strange Rear Brakes should be good for your 15's

 

Also do you have a chosen dyno capable of measuring such a thing?

Edited September 5, 2008 by bolarbag (see edit history)

[Guest KDW]

Brake wise I think I will go with the jspec rears.

 

John Reed is scheduled to fly in from the US to visit me for a week late october, to help with final touhes and mapping the car.

I think we will travel to Germany to find a dyno capable of meassuring the power.

 

Bolarbag to answer your question, yes there are many details I haven't mentioned about my specs.

[Guest KDW]

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=100057&highlight=baz+dyno

 

Baz how come you never posted those vids you are mentioning in the thread back in feb?

[Guest KDW]

10K can easily be dumped into a 2JZ bottom end, £15K with a stroker, 1k of Nos and an extra 2k for the tubby and intake,

 

2K for turbo?? try 6K+ !!

This is state of the art custom turbo setup mate.. the divided housing alone cost big bucks, not to mention coating, polish, anti surge deletion, best manifold on the market, etc.. This is no cheapo ebay stuff

[bolarbag]

2k for the tubby and intake

 

Are we talking dollars here or sterling?

 

I was thinking out loud, and I'm saying £2K on top of what I paid for mine

 

The VWR intake is £1200, this is a genuine query no slangin match, how much for a GT47-88R with custom divided exhaust housing? £1800-1900, an extra 1K on top of my polished and heat coated GT35R?

 

If I was doing a turnkey install I'd still want to know exactly were every penny went and make sure I was getting a deal, if not a better deal than anyone else as I was spending so much money with them

 

I'm just one of these guys that don't get impressed with a big budget figure pulled from a hat, I like details, of which your not under any obligation to give, just make sure your getting a deal

Edited September 5, 2008 by bolarbag (see edit history)

[Guest KDW]

I think you are misunderstanding something.. I am installing everything here in Denmark, I just bought the parts in the US, the only thing "turn key" is the engine and head.

 

We are talking £6000+ for turbo setup (FR T6 TS manifold, GT47-88R turbo, Divided ex housing on custom order from Aussie (Garrett), anti surge deletion, FR 5" DP, FR 5" MP, coating of DP/MP, coating of ex housing, polish of comp, Dual WG's, etc.. Then add shipping, tax & duty on top - actually might be way more than 6K

 

I know exactly what I paid for every parts, do you think I'm some dumb f.ck with a fat wallet mate? I hand picked every little part of this built, down to nuts & bolts!

[tooquicktostop]

I think you are misunderstanding something.. I am installing everything here in Denmark, I just bought the parts in the US, the only thing "turn key" is the engine and head.

 

We are talking £6000+ for turbo setup (FR T6 TS manifold, GT47-88R turbo, Divided ex housing on custom order from Aussie (Garrett), anti surge deletion, FR 5" DP, FR 5" MP, coating of DP/MP, coating of ex housing, polish of comp, Dual WG's, etc.. Then add shipping, tax & duty on top - actually might be way more than 6K

 

I know exactly what I paid for every parts, do you think I'm some dumb f.ck with a fat wallet mate? I hand picked every little part of this built, down to nuts & bolts!

 

I think you may be misunderstanding some of the genuine question/queries as digs at your build, I dont think this is the case at all, I for one would really like to see how this build goes and a full list of costs for each part and the labour time/costs also with pics as we go, a lot of questions will come along the way, we dont have many members who build to this level/cost and I for one watch with interest as someone who has spent a fortune and still never got it quite right

 

you have to admit you must have a fat wallet however, but maybe not for long :)

[bolarbag]

2K for turbo?? try 6K+ !!

 

We are talking £6000+ for turbo setup (FR T6 TS manifold, GT47-88R turbo, Divided ex housing on custom order from Aussie (Garrett), anti surge deletion, FR 5" DP, FR 5" MP, coating of DP/MP, coating of ex housing, polish of comp, Dual WG's, etc.. Then add shipping, tax & duty on top - actually might be way more than 6K

 

That explains a lot more:) - it came across as £6K+ for turbo, I'm thinking I could have supplied you with 3 for that amount

 

I'm with you on the FR camp, You will have fun fitting that T6 mani and 5"DP, are you running twin screamer pipes, are you allowed in Denmark?

[dandan]

I'd love to see a project thread as long as there are loads of pics!!

 

People will be very interested, some will be jealous, some may questions your motives for spending so much, some will feel they have to have a little dig at you....that's just the way it is.

 

Keep up the spending and hard work I say and gives us lots of photos.......

[bolarbag]

to sum it up..

 

You cannot possibly make a more stout setup than mine, period.

 

It will be a top job by John Reed as far as mapping goes, and it has all the bells and whissles, there will not be a gt4788/r fitted supra in the world that will boost earlier than mine for sure!

 

 

I know for a fact the turbo will do 1400hp and the Titan NX setup I got is really top notch stuff.

Every part is the best money can buy.

Engine is built by one of the best in the industry (Dusty Womack).

Controlled by the best EMS available (Motec).

Mapped by one of the worlds biggest Motec guru's (John Reed).

Should do pretty well

 

The only thing I regret is posting about it on here

 

I will not be starting a Project thread afterall. I don't want to waste more time on silly and negative comments.

 

I know exactly what I paid for every parts, do you think I'm some dumb f.ck with a fat wallet mate? I hand picked every little part of this built, down to nuts & bolts!

 

These are just a few:innocent:

 

Good luck with the project but calm down on the self praise, at the end of the day if we were being anal they are not the 'best parts money can buy', they are the best parts listed on Dusty's site, as much as I respect Dusty and what he's done for the Supra community he's not by any means known as the best engine builder in the industry and you have went with motec, a very good ecu but others will argue and quite rightfully so that there are better ecu's out there

 

This is just a back to earth post, I think there are cultural differences here, but I wouldnt go to a Danish forum and start insulting their longstanding members just for giving their views, exactly what a forum is all about

 

The fact that you want to beat a record is good, the fact that you have went about it in a proper way is even better, but not everyone has to agree with other folks goals, but as mentioned, they will respect them

 

You sound as if you have a lot of enthusiasm, channelling it a little differently is all you need;)

[jevansio]

It's stuff like this that really gets under my skin.

You couldn't be more wrong tbh, I started this thread with pure intentions. I wanted to know about powerfull Supra's in Europe simply because I haven't seen many.

I planned on making a project thread in a few weeks when I had some more meat to fill in, and I didn't want to say anything about the car untill then. Otherwise I would have done so a long time ago! The project is have been running for months now.

I'm not trying to get under your skin, I'm trying to help you not look like a prick, I'll keep my thoughts to myself on your forum etiquette from now on.

[Matt H]

It's no secret that I'm not a fan of the UK mentality, it seems that everytime a person stands out just a little bit there will always be someone trying to hammer him back in line

 

love it mate!! nothing like a good bit of blowing your own trumpet

 

tb fair though, all we've seen is the conversation, not much action, i'd be saving my world beating speech until i have the dyno sheet to post!!

[Guest KDW]

Yes I agree, I've also enquired, but from the initial post I thought it was 70K on engine alone, its obviously not, but still 70K is still a lot of money to dump into the car, so erm well in if you look at it that way

 

KDW, in all honesty, I'd rather have got Dusty and Co to build and map[using John Reed or not] the entire car, that way any problems along the way would have been solved by them

 

bottom end and head comes assembled and John reed will do doing a very thorough mapping. He won't leave Denmark till it's spot on in every aspect (fueling, timing, launc control, anti-lag, Nitrous control, etc..)

 

No need to ship the car half across the world to have basic stuff done, stuff which I can do here with the same result.

 

Another aspect is that half the fun (for me atleast) is building the car. If I had the facilities and know-how I would build the engine from scratch and map it myself.

I am insanely detail orientated and a perfectionist if one ever excisted. (I'm sure Dusty will vouch for that:d or anyone else who knows me for that matter.)

[Guest KDW]

Yes I agree, I've also enquired, but from the initial post I thought it was 70K on engine alone, its obviously not, but still 70K is still a lot of money to dump into the car, so erm well in if you look at it that way

 

Not much labour cost at all. Machining and assembly of engine and thats about it.

 

If I were to break down the total cost of the car with everything, including car and every details - it would be much more than 70K.

I didn't plan to spend anywhere near the amount I have, but one thing let to another and the bill just kept climbing.

It's not hard to end up with a bad taste in your mouth & a 100K Supra in the garage. (i.e. Baz)

I know of quite a few guys who spend more than me, mainly in the US though, since I personally don't know too many high spec'ed owners in Europe. And those I do know of bought the car from an importer, already built.

Edited September 6, 2008 by KDW (see edit history)

[Nic]

Keep the build updates coming Kim, looking forward to seeing the results.

 

Terminator's is a similar spec (US built high compression engine and PHR stage 4 turbo), although I don't think he is going for any records.

 

http://mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=148517