ellis Posted September 3, 2005 Author Share Posted September 3, 2005 Seriously fella you'd be happy with either model, you just need to go look at some examples, of both kinds, decide on what spec you actually desire and why, then go find cars that match Cheers mate - will do! Seeing DBR's on Thursday (UK TT) so will take it from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd_t Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Hey ppl, I just got my Supra today Jap spec TT manual. Its totally bog standard apart from the wheels and in a real good condition. One question, whats my BHP? one dealer said its only 240, and the one i bought it off said 326! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 I challange you to go ride with someone like AttilaUK or AJI in their Supras around tracks and see if they feel slow to you You havent seen the way i drive yet and i'm only on stock boost Wouldn't feel slow around a track goin balls out, just talkin about general response day-to-day driving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeT Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Hey ppl, I just got my Supra today Jap spec TT manual. Its totally bog standard apart from the wheels and in a real good condition. One question, whats my BHP? one dealer said its only 240, and the one i bought it off said 326! you are probably round about 300bhp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd_t Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Cheers leett. that'll do me, thats more than twice the power of my last car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBR Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 im a uk fan myself............ the turbos may be steel, but this is a bonus as far as im concerned, there bigger turb's (i think) an there alot more durable (stronger). you have a far better chance of getting a genuine car with genuine mileage an serv. hist (of coarse which is essential on these cars) then the other small thing............... in my case and im sure in many others, uk spec insurance is alomost half the porice of j-spec unless you get top model j-spec, you wont get, heated seats, active bonnet vent, active front spoiler, 326bhp as standard oh and the big brakes Of coarse each to there own though..... this is just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 unless you get top model j-spec, you wont get, 326bhp as standard Hahah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBR Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Hahah! ah!!!! you flash git, jdm? were not all as lucky as you clarkey-sparkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Power output of all the TTs is about the same mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 What was trying to say was that you'll find that nearly all TT JDM Supra's - irrespective of their model - RZ, RZ-S, GZ - the BHP figure of those stock models are relative to a UK stock model. It's a gentleman's agreement in Japan amongst the likes of Toyota, Nissan, Mitibushi etc that a car will not exceed 280BHP (or some figure like that). When in actual fact, that agreement isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd_t Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Sorry for being thick but what does JDM stand for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Japanese Domestic Market (or something) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Wouldn't feel slow around a track goin balls out, just talkin about general response day-to-day driving Well if your car feels slow on day to day driving theres something wrong with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd_t Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Fair enough thanks very much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Not slow but sluggish in comparison to a j-spec. Not a lot like, wouldn't of a UK if it felt that much more laggy. Don't think there's much argument that the j-spec spools quicker and therefore *feels* a bit more responsive (or is there?) And the car's ok for now, could do with a clean though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Don't think there's much argument that the j-spec spools quicker and therefore *feels* a bit more responsive (or is there?) Im not disputing that, but it certainly doesnt feel sluggish. Sadly for me the majority of J specs Ive been in were all decat and running about 1.2 bar, do those will never appear to be slow! Anyway, Im very happy with mine and Im sure you are yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Not slow but sluggish in comparison to a j-spec. Not a lot like, wouldn't of a UK if it felt that much more laggy. Don't think there's much argument that the j-spec spools quicker and therefore *feels* a bit more responsive (or is there?) Totally agree with you (though 'sluggish' is a bit strong)! I've driven many UK and Jspec cars in various levels of tune - the jspec cars *feel* faster than UK's, but this is due to the quicker spool. Outright power, there's not much difference between Stock/BPU versions of both. The UK feels like it has a bit more top end, the Jap one, more mid-range. The suspension though is a big difference. The UK is comfortable, but is far less inspiring than the Jap ones (only ever driven ones with the yellow Bilsteins). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Im not disputing that, but it certainly doesnt feel sluggish. Sadly for me the majority of J specs Ive been in were all decat and running about 1.2 bar, do those will never appear to be slow! Anyway, Im very happy with mine and Im sure you are yours lol i know what you mean mate, sluggish isn't the best word to use but i can't think of anything else lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 A boost controller like a blitz dbc should have either set of turbo's singing up a bit quicker. For simple upping of the boost a J-spec is simpler to do isn't it? Its all well and good blabbering on about top BHP figures. In the real world that doesn't really count for much. Its how steep your power curve is that counts. Mine is putting out stock boost from not alot above 1500 RPM and is pushing out 1.2 bar by 2500 RPM. Also the torque curve has alot to do with accelerative ability. High torque engines are less affected by weight as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 ... active bonnet vent... What's one of those then? Sounds like a good feature, an active bonnet vent! The whole UK vs Jspec thing always runs and runs. For me for example the facelift pre-VVTi RZ is the best variant. You get Recaros, better suspension, uprated ABS, a better dash, better looking front and rear lights, no ugly side indicator repeaters in the wing and a newer car with lower milage than you can get on a UK spec. Oh, and big brakes and wheels as standard. Others like the bonnet vent and heated seats on the UK. Bottom line is treat each car individually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith C Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Ivory Ivory or tan you mean. There were two different shades... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyefi Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 and is pushing out 1.2 bar by 2500 RPM wow, thats impressive, can i have a look at your boost graph from the dyno? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Boost graph from the dyno is with the stock boost controller on now I have the DSBC plumbed in correctly (it was fitted wrong and basically boosting straight up to 1.5 bar and onto 2.0 which meant I couldn't drive the car really) the gain is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 I have to say that after owning my last car that had some turbo lag (a normal amount) the j-spec car is a really refreshing change, it's so damn good it almost doesn't feel like a turbo car the boost is always very immediate. For prolonged acceleration this isn't going to buy you much. For spirited driving on the road (or round a track) where you are on and off the throttle a lot, this is worth quite a bit IMHO! That instant response has got to be worth a few bhp. Would imagine it really needs that manual box to fully apprecaite it though. As others have said, drive both types, treat each car on its own merits and you can't go wrong. You're going to have more choice from the JDM market and there are some really nice ones coming over now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 ...- ceramic turbos, better lower end grunt, lightning quick! ... it spools a bit faster yes (turbos have smaller A/R, gearing is a bit shorter and weight is a bit down), UK has steel turbos, take longer to spool up, not as fast in real world. ... I must be living in an unreal world then In the real world, once you start running high boost the ceramic turbines tend to detach themselves from the shafts and fly off the exhaust. How cool is that? I'd have leather seats over cloth any day, and glass headlights over yellowing plastic every night If you go for JSpec, try and go for a new one (mileage figure is a bit irrelevant since a big chunk of the history stayed back in Japan) and one with UK-spec brakes at least. On the 'minus' side UKSpec cars may have salt damage, fecking intercooler and all rads in general. The rear-diff cooler may start leaking as well, which is never a problem with a JSpec. Neither is the second transmission cooler, lol... Just try and compare a good example of either, they both have pros and cons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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