J_Supra_07 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Sure drop me a pm if u ever need help I'll give you my number. Hope all gose well for you fella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 I'll call it how I see it - until a hybrid twinned car posts a higher terminal speed than I managed with stock set of JDM ceramics (121 MPH) at a paltry 1.1bar I'd say hybrids ain't worth the outlay or hassle and that the more power / performance argument doesn't really stand. Winding the boost up isn't the answer IMO as you're into generating more and more heat for a diminishing gain. Save yourself the money and hassle (very high failure rate considered) and go small single if you want more power / are in the replacement turbo market or just bolt on another set of stockers in decent nick. These CR turbos hybrids seem to be getting good reviews from what I've read but I wouldn't say they're going to be revolutionary in real world performance terms vs. stockers. Cheers, Brian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 I'll call it how I see it - until a hybrid twinned car posts a higher terminal speed than I managed with stock set of JDM ceramics (121 MPH) at a paltry 1.1bar I'd say hybrids ain't worth the outlay or hassle and that the more power / performance argument doesn't really stand. Winding the boost up isn't the answer IMO as you're into generating more and more heat for a diminishing gain. Save yourself the money and hassle (very high failure rate considered) and go small single if you want more power / are in the replacement turbo market or just bolt on another set of stockers in decent nick. These CR turbos hybrids seem to be getting good reviews from what I've read but I wouldn't say they're going to be revolutionary in real world performance terms vs. stockers. Cheers, Brian. It wasnt done really as a performance thing dude, CR offer no warranty on any ceramic turbo whereas they offer a year if they use metal turbines, James wanted a warranty and these were allready hybridised so he bought them and had them refurbed, he just wants a nice reliable stock car that won't embarass itself on the road. He was going to buy Ernies car but wasn't that impressed by the 'single' experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Yeah fair enough - just putting my point across as I'd rather people didn't get all excited about hybrids again for the wrong reasons. Hope you enjoy the car once done James, that's what's important Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilkinson Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 I'm also running CR turbo hybrids. I can't see that enough of the design has changed though to make them flow more efficiently at higher boost. The manifold that the turbos bolt too is still the same tiny holed restrictive self that it started off with, so I'm guessing you're just going to get a lot of hot air at higher boost pressures. If the turbo manifold is so restrictive is there no way to have one fabricated that would allow the turbos to work at higher boost without generating too much heat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 If the turbo manifold is so restrictive is there no way to have one fabricated that would allow the turbos to work at higher boost without generating too much heat? Anything is possible if you spend enough but why bother? a modern small single will murder stock or hybrid twins for spool and power and will be more reliable if built right. Have a look at Ryans dyno page, even my big old 76 out spools hybrids. This is not a pop at swandip or dude, dude has been asked to build a 500bhp stock twin based car and looks he has done a superb job of what he has been asked:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 If the turbo manifold is so restrictive is there no way to have one fabricated that would allow the turbos to work at higher boost without generating too much heat? There are a few ways of getting rid of heat;) but i think these are about the limit for stock based turbos, I would always prefer single but these are a cheap alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a98pmalcolm Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 good result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistonbroke Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 There are a few ways of getting rid of heat;) but i think these are about the limit for stock based turbos, I would always prefer single but these are a cheap alternative. Do tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Guys before going for more boost i would say put an egt gauge in cylinder number six!!! Its why i always stop around 1.3bar on Hybrid TT units and map them at 11:1 as i have seen over 1050c on hybrids at 11:1 at 1.4bar and pulled it back!! I dont doubt the power one bit just i worry that it will det its nuts off on the road with egts this high! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Guys before going for more boost i would say put an egt gauge in cylinder number six!!! Its why i always stop around 1.3bar on Hybrid TT units and map them at 11:1 as i have seen over 1050c on hybrids at 11:1 at 1.4bar and pulled it back!! I dont doubt the power one bit just i worry that it will det its nuts off on the road with egts this high! Agreed the higher boost is just for those rare occasions;) James isnt a guages kinda guy, but we may need to get something in there. Anyway the finish of mods so far is, keeping the dyno in the same mode with temp correction in place 516 hp and removing to probe to bring it more in line 476 and I know for a fact this is not reading high, the car feels the nuts on the road and ive driven singles less pokey than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Next step is cams;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swandip Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 Cheers Dude, Great result is what I asked for and you guys have delivered, So anyone else outthere this close a figure for hybrids or is this the best BHP in the UK for the BPU Hybrid set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Nice power and congrats on pulling it off but damn it looks laggy. Is it running TTC or sequential? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Nice power and congrats on pulling it off but damn it looks laggy. Is it running TTC or sequential? Spool time looks about right to me for a TT tbh mate, nice power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Maybe im looking at it wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swandip Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 Cheers JP, maybe then I have the best BPU TT power in the UK then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 It certainly looks that way, id like to see what power it makes on the SRR though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swandip Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 I'll have to make a visit then to compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 500ftlb is not shy either:cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swandip Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 AFR delivered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistonbroke Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Over 500bhp from hybrids is outrageous mate, definitely the highest I've ever heard of. I need stand alone fuel management next me thinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilkinson Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 This is a lovely power level for a TT car. I would love to have this. Would happily take this over a 500-550 bhp single any day. Just hope the turbos are as reliable as they say. Will likely upgrade the turbos as part of my engine build if I can get near this power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Over 500bhp from hybrids is outrageous mate, definitely the highest I've ever heard of. I need stand alone fuel management next me thinks Don't forget that was in shootout mode with the temp correction, we did that because thats how we started the dyno session, most of the other cars to compare to have been dynoed with the probe outside of the engine bay, when we replicated that we had a final figure of 475. What I will say was on the road test we had a slight 'overboost'problem and it was running 1.8 bar, Matt was next to me with laptop and det cans, it pulled rather well with no det but no doubt the EGT's would have risen with prolonged use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a98pmalcolm Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 thats is a good result! Cams made a nice difference in my BPU but surely anyore from this power is really pushing the dookie on the turbos?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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