L33 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 going to be buying some hybrids from envy in the next week or 2 when i do my engine swap. now ive seen that a few members have had trouble with them. is this that rite thing for me to do? is there much powergain? and whats the safe boost limit? cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr lover Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 after the recent spate of failures I would steer clear myself small single ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L33 Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 not interested in single at all mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Max is 1.2 bar Lee. Safe 1.1. The steel internals make it more robust than jspec but I wouldn't push it. Power at a guess would be 20-30 more. Max I've heard from any standard car is 420 - 425 bhp. Properly mapped ecu and supporting mods. So that's 100 bhp more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbloodyturbo Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 so you can make over 500hp on a set of hybrids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L33 Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 only 1.2 bar? even the uk turbos can take more than that? ive so far got bpu except a boost controller, which i wil get after ive ran the new engine in. my target was 400bhp n e way! so prob just get a map and mayb injectors and i wil be finished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannysupratt Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I might be wrong but i think 1.2 bar is pretty much max even on the uk turbos in terms of actually gaining any more power and not just heat and also reliaility. I hope i am wrong though because i want more power lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 so you can make over 500hp on a set of hybrids? nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannysupratt Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 im sure there are a few with 450 on hybrids?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 only 1.2 bar? even the uk turbos can take more than that? ive so far got bpu except a boost controller, which i wil get after ive ran the new engine in. my target was 400bhp n e way! so prob just get a map and mayb injectors and i wil be finished I think Brian, tdr, ran more, but I'd stick to the 1.2. The bigger injectors, map and pump will stop everything going lean and you know your motor will be safe and pushing 400. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbloodyturbo Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 nope So what are the benefits of hybrids over uk turbo's then, is it just for reliability's sake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couv3z Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I think Brian, tdr, ran more, but I'd stick to the 1.2. The bigger injectors, map and pump will stop everything going lean and you know your motor will be safe and pushing 400. sorry im i being think here but isn't bpu.. meant to be around(close ) to 400bhp anyway? on j-spec and uk-spec? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 So what are the benefits of hybrids over uk turbo's then, is it just for reliability's sake? well imo they are overated, yes they are supposed to be more reliable and will take more power, but for the money i don,t think there worth it, they don,t get that much more than a decent healthy bpu car, i would stick with the normal twins, steel or ceramic and if they went then i would go small single all imo of course:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L33 Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 i wil be happy with just 1.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 sorry im i being think here but isn't bpu.. meant to be around(close ) to 400bhp anyway? on j-spec and uk-spec? with hybrids i would use (and have) 550s for safetys sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L33 Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 ye but smal single is like double the price of hybrids! u say they dont get much more extra than a bpu car, how about bpu and hybrids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L33 Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 with hybrids i would use (and have) 550s for safetys sake yea but if you dont have them wont it just restrict the power you could have or is it a case of damaging the engine with out them? surely standard with hybrids wil run fine but if u want more power change injectors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 ye but smal single is like double the price of hybrids! u say they dont get much more extra than a bpu car, how about bpu and hybrids How much are Hybrids? PHR street kit is about £1800 and is miles better than any hybrids imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 sorry im i being think here but isn't bpu.. meant to be around(close ) to 400bhp anyway? on j-spec and uk-spec? Yep. If the hybrids are the same size as the standard you'll get more or less same power. You'd need twins like Lee P or the units Michael sold for seriously more power. Add in the complexity of the twins and you may as well go small fast spool single. The ideal is seamless sequential as in the standard set up. The power curve should be smooth all the way up, over a longer duration. That's hard to do. Veyron runs 4 sequential turbos. Nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 yea but if you dont have them wont it just restrict the power you could have or is it a case of damaging the engine with out them? surely standard with hybrids wil run fine but if u want more power change injectors? absolutely you can run them as stock or maybe a little higher on 440s, i was meaning if you wanted more power from them above 400;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L33 Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 really? problem is i dont have all the supporting mods to do it! at least with hybrids i can get the rest in future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 really? problem is i dont have all the supporting mods to do it! at least with hybrids i can get the rest in future Keep the boost low and it will be fine for the time being till you get the other bits sorted, get somebody that knows what they are doing to check there is no det. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 really? problem is i dont have all the supporting mods to do it! at least with hybrids i can get the rest in future if i was in your shoes (and i was) i would get a set of good seconhand turbo,s and save the money towards a single setup in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr lover Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 if i was in your shoes (and i was) i would get a set of good seconhand turbo,s and save the money towards a single setup in the future good advice I reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 if i was in your shoes (and i was) i would get a set of good seconhand turbo,s and save the money towards a single setup in the future Yep, spot on there Gaz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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