supra steveo Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Mr J Clarkson only way to go if i vote for clakson will he lower the fuel price to 10p a ltr of V-Power? if so he will have my vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 the irony being is that it doesnt matter if we vote or not. sorry if this sounds negative but i really dont trust any government figure. i beleive they get into politics to change the country but it doesn happend cos their meerly puppet. they promise us crap that doesnt happen for votes. we dont actually get to decide whats rite for the country. The point is that you can vote to kick the current government out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Given that Labour have been in power for 11 years . I can't see how some of you can pass comment on the last Tory government as many of you will have still been at school. When the Tories got kicked out in 97, they had been in power for some 18 years. Having been employed since the Tories were elected about 27 years ago I have been contributing to the tax system for all that time. To suggest one or other party is better than another on the basis of a few simple issues, sound bites, is naive, politics is far more complicated. I think Brown will go, but he has been victim of a much bigger global financial blip. As for Cameron, he will appeal to many as he is good at sound bite politics. As for substance, he has none, it would be very bad for us if he were elected to run the country. As for cutting taxes, you can not cut taxes and sustain public services, something has to go. I remember trying to manage an institution on an ever decreasing budget thank to the Tories and Labour, but was still expected to do more and more with less money in the budgets. At present if you are badly hurt the state will pick up the tab. Do the same in America, and you are screwed if you don't have enough health car insurance. Yet so many moan about the health service, the alternatives are very expensive for individuals. Boom and Bust we common phrases, if you made it in a boom and were were lucky enough to not suffer in the bust, the policies were fine. For many it was a disaster. Those phrases have not be used for many years, thankfully. Immigration raised its head in politics all the time. It too, is far more complex than the front page headlines or a sound bite on the evening news. When you get down to an individual level, it is very different. I speak with some experience, as a friend, has to escort, unfortunates to a ship or plane. I don't know he does it, when it is obvious to him that the individual has goo reason to fear torture and death. Injustices will always be there, some as high profile as the supporter of terrorism getting state aid of £1000 a month, who is alleged to recruit for Biladnin? He hit the news recently at the same time as a African woman dying of cancer was being deported. Politics is not about "me, me, me" it is about us as a nation, or it should be when we have the chance to vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7945/labservsmnc8.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mattsupra Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 i dont think it really matters who gets in but please please get brown out now ive never paid so much in fuel in my life and supras aint the cheapest to run lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Whatever happened to the good old days when Labour represented the common man and the Conservatives stood for the "toffs"? They all seem to be the same these days. But I truly think that Labour have lost the plot more than the rest the way they seem to be screwing the little guy now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Whatever happened to the good old days when Labour represented the common man and the Conservatives stood for the "toffs"? They all seem to be the same these days. But I truly think that Labour have lost the plot more than the rest the way they seem to be screwing the little guy now. When you day the good old days do you mean the 3 day week, strikes and walkouts every week and all that, under Labour? Labour have never changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 As for cutting taxes, you can not cut taxes and sustain public services, something has to go. Good post I believe in Norway they're taxed a flat rate of 28% which pays for very good healthcare amonst other things. There's an additional Surtax levied on people ranging from 0 to 12% (depending on income level) http://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Europe/Norway/Living-There Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMiFFAD Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 The first party that stops throwing money at every problem, adopt an immigration system on a par to AUS/NZ and realize that bumping up fuel costs just cripples people, doesn't change their habits, will get in and stay in until people get bored and fancy a change. It cant be THAT hard surly?! Common sense id say. Can we start a 10 downstreet poll "we, the British people, have had enough...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-K Posted April 24, 2008 Author Share Posted April 24, 2008 Voting for any political party is an assult course, none of the parties offer what everyone wants yet everyone wants different things and have different needs, however the only time in my life i felt proud of my country was when Maggie Thatcher was running it - yet i couldnt wait for her to get out,it was a case of the grass is allways greener on the other side syndrome,. And once again i feel the only party that can pull this country out of the doldrums is the Conservative party - however one must take the rough with the smooth and whilst personaly i will be voting Blue im sure i wont agree with everything the conservatives will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 As for cutting taxes, you can not cut taxes and sustain public services, something has to go. Are we not one of the most taxed nations in Europe? Second I think after Denmark? Where is all this money going? My googling skills are low but the figure of 350 billion pounds rings in my head. That is a *huge* amount of money, yet we have got exceptionaly poor infastructure for a western developed nation. Our public transport is dirty & unreliable (and our hospitals are worse!) our roads are awful. We pay huge amounts of council tax to have bins emptied fortnightly and a PCSO to stand by a river bank and watch people drown. How often do you see street sweepers? How often do you see a copper? Plenty of traffic wardens though... Labour have a knack of spunking massive amounts of money on not a lot. Hugely expensive computer systems that never work, stadiums that swallow money faster than De La Ru can print it, white elephants that also consume vast amounts of money- 8 years later and they actually find a use for the Dome. Given their track record how much do you think the 2012 Olympics will cost? I don't know about you but I'm cringing at the threads on Supraforums in 4 years time when the London Olympics turns out to be an utter shambles, all recorded in surround sound and High Def. The UK needs a big shake-up from top to bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Are we not one of the most taxed nations in Europe? Second I think after Denmark? Where is all this money going? My googling skills are low but the figure of 350 billion pounds rings in my head. That is a *huge* amount of money, yet we have got exceptionaly poor infastructure for a western developed nation. Our public transport is dirty & unreliable (and our hospitals are worse!) our roads are awful. We pay huge amounts of council tax to have bins emptied fortnightly and a PCSO to stand by a river bank and watch people drown. How often do you see street sweepers? How often do you see a copper? Plenty of traffic wardens though... Labour have a knack of spunking massive amounts of money on not a lot. Hugely expensive computer systems that never work, stadiums that swallow money faster than De La Ru can print it, white elephants that also consume vast amounts of money- 8 years later and they actually find a use for the Dome. Given their track record how much do you think the 2012 Olympics will cost? I don't know about you but I'm cringing at the threads on Supraforums in 4 years time when the London Olympics turns out to be an utter shambles, all recorded in surround sound and High Def. The UK needs a big shake-up from top to bottom. I love you Gazboy...... Spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 im voting BNP. i received a pamphlet through my letterbox this morning from them. made for interested reading. *note* im asian think, i should call and invite them round? I'm with you on this one, Get rid of the Asians once and for all.If you want to come to one of the meetings you will have to wait till your suntan fades EDIT: This is a joke, Hiten and i are infact good friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 People still seem to have forgotten that when the Tories where in power there was a Chancellor who actually got rid of a tax every year, think it was Lamont, not sure. With this bunch of shysters soon the only things that will be free of tax will be the air we breathe. They are certainly not the party of the people, there is no incentive to work or better yourself, if you earn £200 a week and get a job earning £300 a week, you actually see a rise in your wages of £8.47 after the additional tax and loss in benefits. They scrapped the 10p tax, which hit the poorest paid, yet promise £500 billion to the fatcat banks. If you live in the country, you need a car to get around, because there is no reliable public transport. As an example there are two buses to the local big town, Hereford one going at 08.20 in the morning and one at 16.30 in the evening. A car is a necessity, but is seen as a cash cow by the government, under the guise of green issues. Thats a thing, I want to do my bit for the environment, but I dont want to be paying the whole world's share. The governments "green policy" includes financing a factory in India the emits the same amount of CO2 as the whole of the UK. What the feck are China and India doing about "green issues"!!!!!!! The list goes on, we are the most heavily surveillanced society in the world, all under the threat from "terrorism". It was never this bad when we had our own home grown terrorists in the 70s and 80s. Our benefits system is open to widescale fraud, it has gone from being a stopgap to being the main income for some of the most feckless, why work or get married when you can pop out a dozen children by different fathers and get the state, meaning you and I, to pay for it. It is not difficult to see why people stay on benefits when they can claim for most things, yet someone who is working, married and earning around 16K a year gets feck all help and is taxed the most. i agree with alot you have said but don't forget interest rates were near 15% when the Tories were in ,good if you had an endownment morgage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiten55 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 EDIT: This is a joke, Hiten and i are infact good lovers dream on mate, i've seen Ed - he's tall. me and tall ex's dont mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 When you day the good old days do you mean the 3 day week, strikes and walkouts every week and all that, under Labour? Labour have never changed No, I mean the good old days when you knew who to vote for. I've never voted Labour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 No, I mean the good old days when you knew who to vote for. I've never voted Labour! Well luckily, the conservatives are up in the polls i just read today as opposed to the crap labour party. So hopfully, we will be under the conservatives soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Why does everyone vote for the party they want in overall power? Surely you should vote for the local party member that stands for the things you need in your area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Why does everyone vote for the party they want in overall power? Surely you should vote for the local party member that stands for the things you need in your area? Well as i said before, basingstoke is a conservative place anyway, and the whole of england would be better off with the conservatives in power me thinks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Why does everyone vote for the party they want in overall power? Surely you should vote for the local party member that stands for the things you need in your area? IME it makes no difference what the candidate says in his campaigning - when he gets in power he has to toe the party line anyway. So you might as well vote for the party you want rather than one mans empty promises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Well as i said before, basingstoke is a conservative place anyway, and the whole of england would be better off with the conservatives in power me thinks... The Conservatives at the last election won more seats in England than Labour, it was Scotland that kept Labour in power here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 About time we cut them adrift then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 If we do all their problems will come home to roost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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