michael Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Problem is - seller told me that HE put bodykit/respray/wheels, he bought car original. And his purchase date is March 2004, and accident record date is Nov 03. (from the report I have in fron of me). So does it mean that he either bought it crashed for northing and he is lying on the phone or he just didn't know that it was after accident when he bought it? *alarm bells* I'll be frank - Dewsbury is a grim place and certainly not somewhere I'd want to drive 200 miles to visit even if the holy grail was there.... perhaps a couple of us northern types could check it out if you are really set on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 If you are really are desperate to take this car, find out what damage was done to the car and make your mind up that way... But in my experience, the people here usually know what they are talking about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alexmslv Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 If He's a dealer he will know....shame ..coz it does look cool, but what colour was it Silver? Blue? or Yellow?. Offer him £4k or walk away... he is saying that he is a dealer, but he bought it for himself he said that it was blue when he bought it report says silver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Problem is - seller told me that HE put bodykit/respray/wheels, he bought car original. And his purchase date is March 2004, and accident record date is Nov 03. (from the report I have in fron of me). So does it mean that he either bought it crashed for northing and he is lying on the phone or he just didn't know that it was after accident when he bought it? What's the difference? Why does it matter whether the current owner or the one before that repaired it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 I like the colour. Problem is that I was going to travel there on Sat from London, not too far but still 200 miles oneway. So I'm thinking now is it worth while to touch it at all? I know it looks nice... ....but Alex - how many people have to tell you to walk away m8 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alexmslv Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 *alarm bells* I'll be frank - Dewsbury is a grim place and certainly not somewhere I'd want to drive 200 miles to visit even if the holy grail was there.... perhaps a couple of us northern types could check it out if you are really set on it? if you can do it for me it would be great. sent u my contact mobile number by PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 What's the difference? Why does it matter whether the current owner or the one before that repaired it? I think the difference is that if he bought it fubar'd and repaired it, he's lying. Who wants to buy a car off a person like that? Ronin: If there is doubt, then there is no doubt. There has gotta be closer nicer and safer-bet examples around -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absz Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 from april 2003 any vehicle which is cat c has to have a vic test before it can be put back on the road. so if it was damaged after that date which this car is then it will clearly state on the log book the date the vehicle was inspected. and the check involves a inspection of repair and check to see if all numbers match on the chassis. through experance cat c vehicles normally have some sort of chassis damage or inner wings. and cat d is normally panel damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alexmslv Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 from april 2003 any vehicle which is cat c has to have a vic test before it can be put back on the road. so if it was damaged after that date which this car is then it will clearly state on the log book the date the vehicle was inspected. and the check involves a inspection of repair and check to see if all numbers match on the chassis. through experance cat c vehicles normally have some sort of chassis damage or inner wings. and cat d is normally panel damage. Date of the damage recorded - 10/11/2003, so it was AFTER If he is saying that he doesn't know anything about it means that there is no record in log book anyway, becasue he has a log book. So it means that there was no vic test. Is it illegal? I think I better stay away from it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Wayhay.... The message finally sinks in... 34 posts into the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absz Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Date of the damage recorded - 10/11/2003, so it was AFTER If he is saying that he doesn't know anything about it means that there is no record in log book anyway, becasue he has a log book. So it means that there was no vic test. Is it illegal? I think I better stay away from it if the car is cat c and the accident recorded after that date. it will be on the log book. as the log book for a cat c is only given by dvla after proof of vic test. dvla will not release log book without this test. and it will state damaged repaired on log book. only cat D vehicles are exempt from this test and damaged repaired will not be stated on log book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Hang on, you can rationalise it both ways, for example: Declared as silver- probably originally was and never got changed on log book. People are lazy. He said it was blue- it is in some of those pics. A flip job paint you'd say the main colour Cat C write off- as said, could have been IC/headlights etc that went and not worth book value to repair but owner knew the car was diamond and went for it. Wants to sell it soon after purchase: baby on way? personal diaster? or: Declared silver: It's been resprayed coz it's nicked/ringer/cut and shut Cat C write off: someone bought it as a write off and did it up cheap and it's a heap. Wants to sell soon after purchase- wants shot of it as he knows dodgy history Only a few people know the real truth BUT that said, you can find supras that are geniune with no question marks hanging over them 7.5k sounds well cheap to me for a 95 80k veilside flip paint job TT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Webster Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Cat D means that the insurance engineer has estimated that the cost of the repair is less than 100% of the PAV Cat C means that the insurance engineer has estimated that the cost of the repairs is between 100-130% of the PAV Cat B means that the insurance company has designated it a break only vehicle and the shell should of been destroyed Cat A is gut /scrap PAV = Pre Accident Value Most enginneers do not know how to catogrise a vehicle properly there some D that should be C and there can be some C what shouldn't be recorded. Ask to see the logbook and ring the previous owner for a description of the damage. You could get an AA report done. You could ask for it to be taken for a 4 wheel allingment that would reassure you that all the wheels are pointing in the right direction, it still wouldn't guarantee the repair. Pull the door seals off and look for joins and take a magnet with you and to detect large areas of filler. Nov to March would probarly the right sort of time for someone to repair the vehicle the Nov date would be the accident date, it would of been probably sold around the Jan mark as it usually takes 30-45 days to clear the vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Not all Cat C/D cars are rubbish , some even turn out to be faster than average Dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Funny you should say that, a search for something else took me back to the thread you started when you got the silver car - shame you got rid of that lovely dashboard trim I found another thread on the same quest where you were telling someone to change their bonnet from black to silver as it looked wrong against their silver car... how things change eh! (No I'm not stalking you, it was a coincidence) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alexmslv Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Ask to see the logbook and ring the previous owner for a description of the damage. There is no record about the accident and cat c in the log book! I just called seller again, and he confirmed - nothing says in the log book. How it can be than? Something wrong.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Don't bother with it mate. Apart from the many problems which people have pointed out already, have you even tried to get insurance on it? Legally, you have to declare that its a written off car on your insurance (That fact that you have done a HPI check means they can check that you already know its written off). If you can even get insurance it will cost you a fortune... At £7500 its not anywhere cheap enough to make it worthwhile, plus the colour is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alexmslv Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 upps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 upps What does that stand for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absz Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 it seems that your going to consider this car anyway? if so do a search for VOSA (vehicle indentity check) department. phone them giving vehicle details and log book number. telling them about your finds on the hpi check. i'm sure they will have a record of the car if it was inspected, and a reason if it wasn't . all the best. i kinda like it myself :eek2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon F Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Go for it mate. I'm sure that the cat c damage was probably something like a side repeater falling off, which Toyota would deem to be more than the vehicle value. The nice people at DVLA understand this which is why it's not on the log book, but the bastards at HPI won't let it lie. Seller sounds like an all round good egg despite all the rumours. (IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED TO HEAR???) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alexmslv Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 it seems that your going to consider this car anyway? Honestly, I dont think so I emailed the copy of the report to the seller, will talk to him tommorow again. But it sounds like big big hussle, and also I don't want to have the same problem when I gonna resale it. There are too many negative points with this car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 I a sorry to sound harsh here but I agree with Gordon and Geoff. What is the point in asking for advice if you are not going to take it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alexmslv Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 I a sorry to sound harsh here but I agree with Gordon and Geoff. What is the point in asking for advice if you are not going to take it? I was 100% sure to take it, seller said that car is ok, I even paid holding deposit, paid for insurance (to drive it home) and ask my mate to go with me (he is experinced mechanic, but not supra specialist). Only today I done HPI test, and what I've got. Now I would need to claim my holding deposit back, cancel insurance, tell sorry to my mate, etc. Really, it isn't so big fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Now I would need to claim my holding deposit back, cancel insurance, tell sorry to my mate, etc. Really, it isn't so big fun Is all of those thing you listed worth more risking £000's of your hard earned money on a written off car? I doubt it - especially when there are many more good examples available for not a lot more. Listen to the people who have posted here, its the best advice you'll ever get when it comes to buying one of these cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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