BillyC

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Last of the Mohicans. Got good music Got good story Got good birds Got good violence There's a bit in it where one of the girls is on the edge of the cliff where she looks absolutely gorgeous. Thought the dark haired bird was the better one most of the way through the film, then just jaw dropped on that bit. Not dirty or nothing - she just looks absolutely stunning. And the "dad" in it is hard as nails!

Bugger, I bought the DoLuck brake lines at full price on Friday.

To the tip I think.

Finally got my rear disks changed today after a lot of huffing and puffing. Don't know if anyone is interested but I took a few pictures along the way and hope they may be helpful to someone. The usual procedures with Axles stands and obviously taking the wheels off. I also used chocks on the front wheels. You should hopefully have something like Pic 1. The coloured parts may or may not be required as you progress. First thing to do was get the calipers off. I done it the long way, removing the pads and carrier but I think is probably easier removing the caliper as a whole. Removing the pad carrier part is easy and theres a good thread on it here. http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=120701 To remove the carrier complete then you need to take out the two 17mm bolts that are pretty easy to identify by just following the calliper design. Be aware that these bolts are pretty tight and need a bloody good pull to start them off. Once started though removal is straight forward. Then simply support the removed calliper somewhere. This should leave you with the disk in front of you, release the handbrake and you may be able to pull it staight off. After probably 15 years mine wasnt coming off quite so easily. The procedure I followed was. 1. Make sure the handbrake shoe had fully released. I removed the grommet, shown in yellow in Pic 2, and rotated the wheel so the hole was in the 6 oclock position. From here you need to shine a torch (narrower beamwidth the better) and find a small cog through it. Stick in a small flatblade screwdriver and move the cog upwards or downwards to release the shoe which may still be sticking. I cant remember what direction but you'll know you've got it the wrong way when it tightens and you cant turn the wheel. Simply turn the cog the other way. Try and remove again. If it doesnt move go to step 2. 2. As I was replacing the disks then I wasnt to bothered about hitting them. I literally dowsed the whole disk from behind, where it meets the hub, in WD40. Apply, turn wheel slightly, apply more till wheel is done. I then took a rubber headed hammer and beat the disk senseless. Hit hard, turn wheel, hit hard, turn wheel. Its quite hard to do as is awkward and the guard is a pain in the arse. Try to hit as near to the cente of the disk as possible. This failed for me, but the hammer I had wasnt particularly heavy. I think Chis W recomends a copper headed hammer. People recommend hiting harder and harder until you succeed in breaking the seal, but I moved on. 3. As I couldnt remove them easily using a hammer I then used 2 bolts to seperate the the disk. The circles in Pic 2 are actually threaded and will accept 2 standard M8 bolt. I highlghted the holes simply because if I hadnt read on here they existed I wouldnt have known they were there. They were full of crud and totally disguised with the colouring of the rest of the disk. I cleaned them out using a watchmakers screwy. Lashed loads of WD40 in. Cleaned them again, and loaded more WD40 in. See Pic 3. The M8 bolts are quite hard to get started, but once in they saved the day for me. Turning each one alternately a small bit at a time slowly pushes the disk away from the hub. Make sure you turn the bolts a little at a time as its possible the bolt may shear. Its also worth noting that you can pop a bit of WD40 into the surrounding holes as the disk starts to seperate. As they seperated I could actually hear the cracking as the disks moved away little by little. I kept adding more and more WD40, and turning the bolts little by little until the disk just popped away. I then took a large sigh of relief as apparently after this stage you need some serious heat to help seperate them. Pic 4 shows what you're left with hopefully and shows the handbrake spring mechanism quite nicely. I'm trying to find out whats the best way to give this a little TLC whilst its opened up. Pic 5 is a poor picture of the actual sprocket to turn with the screwdriver to release the handbrake further. Pic 6 is both disks removed and we're off to the Falkirk wheel. This was the first time I'd done this so if anythings wrong, or the order, (I feel the bolts should be tried before the hammering myself) please feel free to correct. Hope this is of some help

Sorted now though.

[GRIN][/GRIN] Sorted now though.

Well, just an update. The brake lines arrived today which is excellent stuff since I didnt order till 5 past 4 on Friday, so Kudos to Sumo for that. Collected the disks from Toyota which was a one day delivery as well so fair play to them as well. Thats as far as the good news has gone though Been out all day with the nipper so thought I'd get a go at the disks when he went to bed. Until her mate and her husband turned up for a chat. Happy days. Have a cup of tea and frig off. Managed to get out for half an hour and thought I'd at least get both the disks off ready for tomorrow. Yeah, in my f**kin dreams. 1. Took off handbrake and had a good go. No joy there. 2. Wound back the clicker through the viewing hole bit (tip, use a torch with a small beamwidth to locate the cog.Still no joy. 3. Got a medium sized rubber headed hammer and gave it a bit of persuasion with that. No joy. 4. Tried a biger level of persuasion - still no joy Thought bollocks to it, I'll use some M8 bolts tomorrow but will at least locate the holes. Absolutely full of crud. And when I cleaned them out it looks as though theres no thread in them that I can see. Have wacked some some WD40 in them and hopefully that will help me clean them out properly before using the bolts tomorrow. Small alternative turns. I'm not convinced the bolts are gonna work to tell the truth. The whole disk seems absolutely, solidly seized on. I thought about maybe being able to use the scissor jack to wind up and pop the disk off, but there doesnt seem to be anywhere solid to wedge it up against and get some purchase. Still, so far the whole thing has been enjoyable and learning a fair bit. Well, certainly learning that it doesnt appear that the disks have been changed in 15 years Onwards and upwards Might be a bigger hammer job tomorrow I feel. After that and I'm f*cked though as I'm sure shelling out for something to heat the hub up is a million miles from the current agenda and not wholly realistic. Still, who said changing pads (overhauling the whole rear brake system) would be easy In fact I'm gonna finish doing this - and then change the pads again, just for a laugh. I do wonder though if it had gone into Toyota or another garage whether any of this would have been discovered. I'd like to think so. Once I get one side done, I'll take some pics of the whole process when I do the second side. Hopefully

No hard feelings mate. Funnily enough I'd read a post today about someone kicking off about people doing their brakes I'm such a sensitive soul. So much for club ethos eh? Its only about 400 miles. And if you wanted to do my plugs for me then I promise I wouldnt complain too much. What time should I expect you? I was actually thinking about this today. I seriously thought about posting up for a semi "sort of mechanical" meet for those around Glasgow. Its all well and good drooling over each others cars at every meet, but its about time some of these lazy b**tards got their hands dirty - and my car is as good as any to start on. I've got all the parts for a complete service and thought it might be a good idea to offer up the idea of people coming over if they wanted. I'm quite capable of doing the oils, coolant and filter changes, but thought some others might never had tried it, but once theyd seen how easy it was (hopefully someone who knew wtf they were doing wold turn up ) then they might change their minds and be confident enough to do it themselves. I must admit that it would have been a bonus if someone who had done NA sparks could have come along and shown everyone how to do them. My bird even said she would make some bacon sarnies But if someone who knows about disk changes happens to be passing Uddingston then...... But since the "simple" pad change turned out to be a bit more involved than I thought it was gonna be then it sort of derailed that idea. Half a dozen Supes outside the house would have been nice to see And a run out in a TT woud have been good

Fair play. Went off on one there a bit, just felt the post was a little unnecessary. As for the fluid drain I've filled myself up with 2L of coke (diet of course) to cater for all eventualities. The main thought train was that if I raise the cable (maybe some tubing added) higher than the resevoir then surely, unless its pressurised by the brake pedal) it cant force itself out. It just seems an atmospheric pressure type of thing. Anyway, I decided it wasnt really worth the hassle as there's no rush to play about with the knacked sliders and pots. Although its amazing how dirty they are - little wire brush and it takes years off them. I'll pick up the disks tomorrow and hopefully the braided hoses arrive too. May have a go at the disks tomorrow but will be taking the little feller out. Hopefully the old ones will come off easily enough. Then when the new calipers arrive on Tuesday I can give them a paint before putting them on with the new hoses. Thats the plan anyway. After finishing renewing the rear brake system (which was a little unexpected to tell the truth), I'll probably do the fronts next month. I've got 3 litres of brake fluid so a flush through now, and then again when I do the fronts will prob be what I do. Just gotta get through this first :-)

Why? What sort of comments that? I may not be mechanic of the year, but doing this certainly isnt that difficult. And hopefully with some help from a lot of knowledgeable people on here I can overcome any little difficulties along the way. I might post as if this is all a bit of fun, butI consider myself reasonably competent at most things I turn my hand to. And I find your comment a bit patronising really. Ok, so it started off as a simple pad change. The piston on the drivers was a bit difficult to get back in. Probably a bi harder than I expected, but not having done it before I didnt know what to expect. But I done it, andthe drivers side is done and dusted. The O/S/R was different and I noticed the problem at the disks didnt apear to be used. From comments on here I've identified the problem and its the slider. I've ordered up some replacement ones and they'll be here on Tuesday to put on. Then I'll bleed the system and things will be done and dusted. I wanted to take the whole knackered calliper off tonight to have a good look at them. I like to learn all about things as I do them. So I asked a question about capping the brake hose, or if its possible that only a certain amount would drain out. Which I could catch and then get a good look at the Pot and seals. I've got the carrier part off already (bltswere tight like) and have looked at the part and its al quite simple really. I dont see what your problem is. Sure, brakes arent meant to be messed about with, but replacing a calliper in predefined holes isnt exactly fuckin rocket science. There's a wealth of posts on here and a few people have helped out with some constructive comments. I dont know if your some sort of supermechanic or what, but unfortunately Im fully competent in another highly technical trade, and somewhat keen on trying my hand at one or two things on the car that think I'd be capable of doing (with a bit of CONSTRUCTIVE help if needed along the way). Anyway, rant over. Now, gotta go as I'm not 100% sure if I've got them axle stands on upside down or not.

Guys, I dont have anything to cap the brake hoses with if I take them off the callipers? Will there be a lot of fluid released through them? Or can I just catch it in an old bottle ready to take to the dump? I dont know if the whole system will drain through or just a small amount. If it is the whole system then would it be prblematic. Cheers

Well, new disks ordered hopefully pick up tomorrow And in a fit of pretending I wear the kecks in the house, I've ordered some of the Do Luck brake hoses from the group buy that MAY be delivered tomorrow. Tried to blag the Do Luck girl that I missed out on the group buy because I was posted overseas when it was getting started, but she wasnt having any of it Worth a try though. Last question (for now anyway) If I take the hose off the knacked calliper, roughly how much brake fluid will drain out of it? I intend to do a full change anyway so not that arsed really. But would like to get the callipers off for a play before a refurb (Oh yeah, did I mention I ordered one of them as well ) just wondering if the whole lot is gonna fit in my coke bottle. Will be doing the full fluid change once this whole brake malarky has been done.

I think they're all photoshopped

Ordered and can pick up tomorrow Now looking for a definitive "How to change your disks" thread.

I love that two tone colour effect It's deffo worth the extra cash to get that look. Love the subtle way that you've managed to blend in the fog light as well. Quality stuff - although the red lets it down a little.

Cheers for that mate. Just spoke to Brian and he really is a nice bloke. With the postage though it still works out more expensive as I cant get up to Aberdeen to collect. However, he has given me a figure (£82.40 each) to take to my local Toyota guy and ask I can ask him to match it.

Thanks for that Supranature. I've removed it from my browsing history already, as theres sharp implements around. Homer, I think you just summed up what I knew already but just needed telling. So, off to Mr T again tomorrow it is. Pity Steve Maneys on holiday till Tuesday. Does anyone know if the other guys there give the same discount as him. Or is it just through him personally? Ta

Well, if anyones been following my rather moving experience of a simple brake pad change then you'll no doubt realise that the whole friggin thing has grown three heads and now I just cant seem to stop. I think I've developed a bit of a brake fetish or something. Anyway, the pad change has metamorphasised into now having to replace one calliper as well. Which for some strange reason I dont even understand myself, now involves me waiting for 2 rear callipers. And getting rather interested in calliper painting threads and calliper refurb threads. Strange Anyway, thought I'd go the whole hog and might as well get some new disks as well. So after a sensible discssion I just told the Mrs straight out "No ifs and buts, no arguments, I'm getting some new disks whether you like it or not. So dont even start. You bought yourself some hair dye last week and I never moaned". So we danced a while.... Anyway, dont suppose anyones interested in an Onkyo AV Amp or some Kef 5.2 speakers are they? The timing of the sales purely a coincidence cause I wanted to sell these anyway. No, honest I did. But I digress. I know its been asked about a million times before (but probably not with 3 broken fingers I dont suppose) but any recommendations for new rear disks for my poorly Jspec NA single pot (and thats currently shared between both callipers by the way) I'm tempted to go for stock as you cant go wrong with them really. But also tempted to go for some with grooves in, for no other reason really than they look cool. Not like I'm gonna track it or nothing. Well not until the bruising goes down anyway. So, stock or any other recommendations would be appreciated. I think its best if I leave the suspension chat for another day.

Well, bit of an update. Took the rear passenger side wheel off, popped the calliper open by opening the bottom bolt and checked the movement of the top slider. It seemed to move back reasonably easy, but not as easy as the drivers side one. Still, back it went, and back and back and back and back until it just popped off the end, with the rod blinking at seeing daylight for probably the first time in its 15 year old life. Now, I dont know 100%, but I have a gut feeling that its not meant to come off like that. Or am I getting this totally wrong? I take it there are actually 2 sliders as well. One for each bolt that you take the main piston part off? I put in a piece of wood and the Mrs pumped the break and the piston seems to come out OK and butt up against it. Should I be removing the brake fluid cap when I push the piston back in by hand? Seems sensible but could be talking rubbish again Anyway, the cars not going anywhere now as its siting on some stands in the drive looking quite sorry for itself. And will be till Tuesday when the replacement callipers arrive. Now, to persuade the Mrs for some new disks. Might as well give it a go. Wish me luck...I'm going in.

Cheers mate, thats the bit I thought it was. Its the bit that allows you to move the whole piston part forwards and backwards as a unit, to let you position the piston part over the pads. I checked these yesterday. Didn't know nothing about them until I put some pressure on the piston unit and the whole thing moved backwards rather quickly. Nearly shat meself. Anyway, both of them seemed to move freely backwards and forwards so I think I can probably rule that out. I cant find a refurb thread for them though - just being nosy I think but I like to learn about the bits as I go along.

Just getting a set of Keron now mate. Thanks for the offer though. Need to get back on the road ASAP as its my daily driver. Can close this if ya want mods

Any JSpec Rear callipers Keron? Single pot.

After the saga of yesterday I'm pretty sure I now need to replace one of my callipers. So, after the following for a JSpec NA Rear Calliper Single pot. Passenger side. As good a condition as possible would be nice. A cheap pair would be good. And a lottery win. Thanks. Mr T made me cry

Oh, now youve got me really confused. I thought that was exactly what I was looking for - apart from me only needing to do one instead of two pistons. What are these sliders you speak of?