i couldint agree with you more chris, thats why ive just ordered a brand new oem part from my local toyota world, £16 the top hose , new clips £12 :blink:nearly as much as the hose, parts guy on phone said they are really good quality so i thought just order them and be done with it, proper toyota squeeze type. funny because i was telling him about the hardpipe kit on my supra and i know this guy, hes work in parts in my local toyota for donkeys years and even he said that the oem pipework has a certain amount of flex init etc so having a solid pipe is not good, well mine has torn, confindence in that part is now out the window, hense new part. and no i havint over tighten my j-clips becasue i havint ever touched them since buying the car.