I have to agree with you here Dave (joins said pack ), most of the non believers seem pretty open minded even if they don't believe.
I can't really see this so called pack in this thread. I can see RedM and Chief having a small but minor disagreement but thats about it IMO. I thought most others who contributed just voiced there opinion.
The most sensible thing I read in the last few pages was Chief referring to Human kind being the problem in both arguments. He voiced his opinion that there is corruption within parts of the church (as there is in most parts of our society). But like he said it is unfair to tar all religious people with the same brush.
There are good people in this world and bad people (although that boils down to your definition of good and bad, and right and wrong, which is a whole different debate and varies from culture to culture).
I thought this thread was quite interesting all in all and the only thing that really got in the way of the debate was the whole "how many times you have read the bible bit".
Mark