AJI Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Just wanted opinions on the real life settings (as opposed to theoretical), between the stock toyota alignment and the Lance W ? I'm going to get a 4-wheel alignment done next week and I am requiring a nice stable car in the braking zones on the track. I am used to the stock toyota settings for the UK-spec Supra but I'm tempted to try other settings if people have tried and tested them. My Supra has been fitted with RS-R adjustable suspension recently and it now sits about 10mm lower than stock ride height. (And its as stiff as a board!) p.s. the settings have to be on the safer side of things to allow for a full wet track. Stock toyota settings take this into account I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallace9 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 My cars in with Toyota right now having the Lance W settings applied but I chose them purley for tyre wear. I can let you how it feels after I pick it up tonight but won't be able to give my opinion of what its like on a track. Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burna Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 I've had mine set to the Lance settings but only about a month ago so not really qualified to comment yet, but I do know Michael has been running on the Lance settings for a while now and is happy with them. Take a look at this link http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=755&hl=lance Thorin asked the same question over on Tony's forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 I've had mine set to the Lance settings but only about a month ago so not really qualified to comment yet, but I do know Michael has been running on the Lance settings for a while now and is happy with them. Take a look at this link http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=755&hl=lance Thorin asked the same question over on Tony's forum. ...and I still haven't had the alignment done. Still need to find somewhere local, not that I've done much looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Hmmm, be interested to know what people think of the Lance W setting, esp CW. I am tempted to get the NA setup with it just to try it out since it has to go for full re-alignment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 I believe Chris said something along the lines of "it's a good start, everything is a compromise", but you'll not get him to reveal the settings he uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 There's a load of whatsit talked about geo settings, normally by people wo should stick to what they understand I can do geo to give excellent tyre wear, excellent on track grip, or a halfway house. I can even do drag geo. If you have rubbish dampers with bizarre spring rates, 19 inch rims, Turkish made tyres, or wrong offset rims it's all academic, the thing will still handle like a truck on an ice rink. Setting up suspension is a bit like wetting yourself in a dark suit. You get a nice warm feeling, but most buggers fail to notice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 There's a load of whatsit talked about geo settings, normally by people wo should stick to what they understand I can do geo to give excellent tyre wear, excellent on track grip, or a halfway house. I can even do drag geo. If you have rubbish dampers with bizarre spring rates, 19 inch rims, Turkish made tyres, or wrong offset rims it's all academic, the thing will still handle like a truck on an ice rink. Setting up suspension is a bit like wetting yourself in a dark suit. You get a nice warm feeling, but most buggers fail to notice.... So it's a good start but everything's a compromise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted June 21, 2007 Author Share Posted June 21, 2007 thanks for the replies guys. It looks to me like the Lance W settings are simply for more safe under-steering and less front tyre wear. Not sure I'd want an American setting on my Supra to be honest, those guys are purely for drag and oval racing (no disrespect intended, just a tounge in cheek comment) I have noticed there is some tollerence in the stock settings anyhow, so I'll try out a particular setting and then experiment on track with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Am I to understand you want a track set up? What spring rates has it got on it? I can tell you some decent starting setting for a track car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted June 21, 2007 Author Share Posted June 21, 2007 Cheers Chris. Basically I want a good stable track setup that would suit a wet track if need be. I'm off to the N'Ring in a couple of weeks and after changing my stock suspension recently its time to check that my alignment is not out. On the stock alignment/stock suspension I found it to be very forgiving in the dry but slightly twitchy in the wet. I have a smooth driving style and even so the rear would get a bit lively on a wet track under heavy braking, stepping out on numerous occasions on off camber approaches. Now most of that would be down to the stock suspension allowing a lot of weight transfer, so the suspension I have on now will result in a much more stable car. I can play around with the bump and rebound for wet and dry tracks but obviously I'd need a mobile garage to change any of the alignment at the Nurburgring. So to put it in one sentence I guess I'm asking ..... now that I'm on different harder suspension with a ride height that is a good 10mm lower than stock.... would the stock Toyota alignment settings be a good start ? Or is it a case of stiffer lower suspension requiring more/less camber, toe in/out etc. etc. ?? Cheers for any suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 It sounds as if it's too stiff at the rear. Run very clsoe to stock ride heights, both ends. As much front negative camber as the adjusters will give, and as much castor. Run the front toe parallel. Rear end. 1.5 degrees negative, 4 mm total toe in, and you should have a reasonable set up. The front won't give nearly as much negaitive as you really need (about 3.5 to 4 degrees on something like Pilot Sport Cups), but you would need to make some mods to achieve that. By the way, spring rates don't affect weight transfer, just change its RATE of transfer, together with the dampers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted June 22, 2007 Author Share Posted June 22, 2007 Thanks Chris. I'll give it a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean1933 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 It sounds as if it's too stiff at the rear. Run very clsoe to stock ride heights, both ends. As much front negative camber as the adjusters will give, and as much castor. Run the front toe parallel. Rear end. 1.5 degrees negative, 4 mm total toe in, and you should have a reasonable set up. The front won't give nearly as much negaitive as you really need (about 3.5 to 4 degrees on something like Pilot Sport Cups), but you would need to make some mods to achieve that. By the way, spring rates don't affect weight transfer, just change its RATE of transfer, together with the dampers. Would those sought of settings be good for a road/track car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 They are for a track day car, but will work on the road, for fast driving, albeit with inside tyre wear and some tramlining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean1933 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Nice, thanks Chris...any slight changes possible to reduce inside tyre wear and tramlining? Sent you an email too bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Stock settings give the best tyre wear, and least tramlining, on stock wheels and tyres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Stock settings give the best tyre wear, and least tramlining, on stock wheels and tyres. I'll agree with that, I asked Chris a similar question and had the alignment reset from Lance W back to stock, and the car definitely feels more planted even though it still sits high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean1933 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Ok, forgive my ignorance but what are the stock settings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Chris, how stable are those settings you gave? I couldn't tell you what my settings were off the top of my head but the rear end seems very lively after my last geo, although this could be due to brand new rear tyres and front dampers in need of replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 They should be pretty stable, but all this assumes correct offset wheels and sensible wheel sizes and matching tyre sizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I went to Mr Wolrab's settings, from a totally abysmal setup that hadn't been adjusted since the car was lowered. It was so much better! But I guess anything would have been better as it was all so far out! Since changing from Nankang death tyres to Eagle GSD3's and having the Lance W settings I've not had a single handling/traction problem...... but there again I still drive it like its on the Nankangs & with way out geo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 Nankangs .... blimey ! They are on similar levels to Woosung, Goodride & Kingpin brands of tyres. I bet it was a scary journey when you drove it.... every journey ! You can't go wrong on the GS-D3s... I rate them very highly. My next set will be the new Eagle Asymetrics..... they are supposed to be the next level up from the GS-D3... and if thats the case then they should be bleeding amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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