Guest Geneb Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 o i see so mines slow then well rob you did have a sheet of tar for an airfilter:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 done a google with no good results .whos it made by geneb ?and where, it must say made in ???? somewhere on it .have you got any literature on it ? if it increases the bhp by altering the air/fuel mix and can be controlled by an AFR it sounds like a good mod for us n/a boys,also you wouldnt need it on all the time only at playtime .have a good look on both of them for more details . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve W Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 [from Geneb's piccies . . . .] looks like NKD is the 'make' ?? tried searching for ECS-SGT-5C but no-go ! 'Super Gas Turbo' just gives those 3 hits (so far) ! Haven't tried 'Global-Save Green' yet, gonna try that now !! (can you tell i've got an N/A ??? . . . i don't believe in something-for-nothing either . . . . . . . . BUT ! ! ! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geneb Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 done a google with no good results .whos it made by geneb ?and where, it must say made in ???? somewhere on it .have you got any literature on it ? if it increases the bhp by altering the air/fuel mix and can be controlled by an AFR it sounds like a good mod for us n/a boys,also you wouldnt need it on all the time only at playtime .have a good look on both of them for more details . dave im sorry i know nothing about it, it was on the car when it was imported in october. gonna try find more info because if it is any good theres a lot of peeps who will want them , just hope that by switching it on it hasn't just put my car back to stock, but i doubt that is the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve W Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Reading that ARISTO site, it's definitely a fuel RICHENER/LEANER but it's the ULTRASONIC COIL bit that gets me ?? [not a new form of Female Contraceptive, IS it ???] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Surely Toyota set up the car to be optimum fuel air mixture all the time? I don't see any advantage in changing that whatsoever. The manufactuerer goes to great lengths to research the best programming for the ECU to constantly adjust this mixture for optimum power and economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geneb Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Right here it is, i spoke to a guy i know who's dad works for honda basically he put it in simple terms for me, he said "its like when you drive on a foggy day or at night and you car seems really quick the reason being the air is very dense, the device has the same effect it makes the air dense a bit like you really andy." and just got a price of this thing it's 58'000 yen which is £253.45 alot of money for a ebay resistor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Andy buddy there is no way that a electronic device can make the air denser. The only way your gunna do this is with a intercooler or chargecooler. When i looked at the wiring of this gizmo it was wired into the injector harness and around your dizzy. I expect it just lowers the injector cycle and advances the igniton timing making which creates more power but you dont know what its doing and really wanna get your air/fuel reading checked and knock levels. I have a wideband so this is not a problem. But dont have det cans. you really wanna make sure you run super unleaded all the time mate as this is a jap product and would be mapped to jap fuel which is alot higher ron than uk super Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Right here it is, i spoke to a guy i know who's dad works for honda basically he put it in simple terms for me, he said "its like when you drive on a foggy day or at night and you car seems really quick the reason being the air is very dense, the device has the same effect it makes the air dense a bit like you really andy." Fair enough cars always do feel better on a foggy night, theres definately a noticeable improvement in power. If that box can do that all the time, then I can see why people buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 "its like when you drive on a foggy day or at night and you car seems really quick the reason being the air is very dense, the device has the same effect it makes the air dense a bit like you really andy." Now you're just winding us up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geneb Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Andy buddy there is no way that a electronic device can make the air denser. The only way your gunna do this is with a intercooler or chargecooler. When i looked at the wiring of this gizmo it was wired into the injector harness and around your dizzy. I expect it just lowers the injector cycle and advances the igniton timing making which creates more power but you dont know what its doing and really wanna get your air/fuel reading checked and knock levels. I have a wideband so this is not a problem. But dont have det cans. you really wanna make sure you run super unleaded all the time mate as this is a jap product and would be mapped to jap fuel which is alot higher ron than uk super Ryan bud thx for that ,will let you have a look at it and you know i always run on Super unleaded if i cant get Vpower Now you're just winding us up! LOL dunno homer i know F all about cars mate as ryan will testify i just drive the things and fix P.C.'s for a living. if my car hasnt gone on tuesday i may book it in for a run on a rolling road and see what it says. saying that ryan when can you put that widebandnthing on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt _Aero top_ Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 So whats the verdict on this then is it a decent upgrade for us N/A boys or is it a steer clear jobbie ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Now you're just winding us up! He's right! Denser humid air will increase power by: 1) Having a higher oxygen content due to higher density 2) Reduce detonation sensitivity due to high humidity, like water injection BUT only if these changes can be optimised for, such as with MAF and knock sensors to optimise the fuelling & timing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 He's right! Denser humid air will increase power by: 1) Having a higher oxygen content due to higher density 2) Reduce detonation sensitivity due to high humidity, like water injection BUT only if these changes can be optimised for, such as with MAF and knock sensors to optimise the fuelling & timing. Of course I know denser air = more power, thats what turbochargers do What I find hard to beleive is people believe this device can compress air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 When principle of the super gas turbo is explained very simply, it is the similar mechanism to the generally known "ultrasonic humidifier". Exactly when gasoline was sprayed with the atomizer, in similar state, it is not to blend to perfection. The ultrasonic coil, designates gasoline in an instant as fog condition, As a demerit, in the high rotary limits, flux of the mixture from インテークマニーホールド becomes very high, but the ultrasonic coil which is installed in the gasket becomes inhalation resistance, it means that the blowing rising becomes sluggish. However, if it does the normal riding, extent ブン where the ultrasonic coil becomes inhalation resistance the fact that it turns it is not, because probably will be, supplying, sufficiently you can call excessively certain ones. This Engrish tech document does make it sound almost like water injection TBH, a humidifier in there means it can't be anything else other that atomising the fuel and mixing it with water before spraying it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamanC Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Its monday morning.......has it gone bang yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Its monday morning.......has it gone bang yet? Where's your club spirit? So.... has it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geneb Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 nope not yet guys:d , the down side is i have been out in it all afternoon playing and got fuckall work done ,seem to be getting lots of melted rubber stuck to my spats now for some reason Hehe:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Of course I know denser air = more power, thats what turbochargers do What I find hard to beleive is people believe this device can compress air could it make the ecu think its got denser air going in ????? therefore adjusting the fuel ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phillw454 Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Its starting to seem like this is a good investment. Dont think i will though:) Seems to suspect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Have just been out in geneb car and if definatly faster than when went out about 2 weeks ago. Would like to see it up against another n/a to see if it was running slower before but goes very well now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 I guess the proof would be shown on the dyno, any chance of it getting tested Geneb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geneb Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 I guess the proof would be shown on the dyno, any chance of it getting tested Geneb? its getting the time and finding somewhere local to get it done:d but is sure as hell fun to drive:d :d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandan Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Any news? I have seen devices similar to this before - like a low pressure water injection system (just an atomised mist of water). No idea on the reliability/results though. You need a rolling road before/after comparison.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyknox Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 you'll have to catch me first!! :d lol, and travel back to 1955 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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