19s or 20s straight on?

[wkdtime]

well 17's arent going to handle as well as 16's but its a compromise, 19's is a compromise, im sorry but where have i suggested it makes ur car go faster, please point this out to me, i suggested 2 similar sepc cars both bpu, were neck and neck when at wot one with 19's and one with 18's, wht i am trying to get accorss is that with the correct wheels, suspension its not as shit people make out to be, how is that a sweeping statement? have you had 17's then 18's then 19's? well i have, still have my 18's and 17's and its yes the handling is not as good as with 17's but compared to 18'2 i have not noticed any difference, and i do drive my car hard.

 

i havent seen many 4x4's with 19's usually theyre around 20's plus:D

[Thorin]

well 17's arent going to handle as well as 16's but its a compromise, 19'2 is a compromise, im sorry but where have i suggested it makes ur car go faster, please point this out to me, i suggested 2 similar sepc cars both bpu, are neck and neck when at wot one with 19's and one with 18's

 

You should see how quick Rays supra shifts with his 19's against Lui's 18's both BPU, and trust me it does move.

 

Which would seem to imply he is faster. Or were you trying to say, "you should see how Rays supra shifts exactly the same as Lui's"? Which would be a pretty pointless statement.

 

I've had stock 17's and 18's on mine, definately better handling on the 17's, my 18's are very heavy comparitively though. I've also driven a supra with 19" volks, again noticable worse handling than mine and too harsh from the low profile. Both with stock J-spec bilsteins, and track and road for mine.

[wkdtime]

so when people say like they have in this thread and all threads regarding to 19's that the car wont even move, or drive ,or handle like shit? theyre not pointless statements???

 

someone said in this thread if u care to look back that the car wont even move, so i pointed out two equal supes one with 19's and one with 18's sprinting against each other were neck and neck.

 

Why is it so hard to beilieve that is you go for the correct set up 19's are not as bad as people make out and the car does stil handle pretty well?? have you had 19's on your supe? Too many people putting it down and havent even driven a supe with 19's. too many lemmings in here.

[Thorin]

Well I'm not going to repeat myself. Yes the car will still drive fine with 19's.

[wkdtime]

Thanx, thats all we want to hear...Been a while since i had a discussion like this, must do it again mate:D

[Guest Flat4_ire]

Thanx, thats all we want to hear...Been a while since i had a discussion like this, must do it again mate:D

is someone having an argument without me?? hardly!!

[letmeshowyou]

performance wise I think people are losing sight of the fact its the weight of each wheel that will have more of an impact than the size...

[wkdtime]

thankyou, and thats what i have been saying, as long as the wheels are light, correct offset, suspension to match, then the handling should be pretty good as mine are, too many people quick to knock it because thats what the general thought on this forum is in regard to 19's. its always one sided.

[Thorin]

apart from the too low tyre profile and extra stress on suspension components. 19's will only ever handle "ok" IMO. Ask Chris Wilson what he thinks about fitting 19's, I think I know what he'll say.

[merckx]

One thing's certain if they build the MKV it won't have 17" wheels, they'll be a minimum of 19".

 

I know it'll have the suspension to match, but I cannot see why 19" wheels wouldn't work on most of our cars now as quite a few aren't even running the stock setup.

[JamieP]

i have 19" wheels, i had better grip on the old 18" ones:)

[SUPRALOOPY]

i have 19" wheels, i had better grip on the old 18" ones:)

 

my handling is not great but i don't care as my car looks the bollocks:D

 

and jamies car has 19s and handles very good TRUST ME. if yhou look close on the passenger seat there is a little ring mark left by my arse hole gripping the seat:D

[JamieP]

my handling is not great but i don't care as my car looks the bollocks:D

 

and jamies car has 19s and handles very good TRUST ME. if yhou look close on the passenger seat there is a little ring mark left by my arse hole gripping the seat:D

yea it handles great but i get more wheelspin now

that was fun running them brakes in dave:D

[Kopite]

18s tops

[Chiefgroover]

Bigger wheels, bigger grip etc mean more stress on the bushes. So the logical thing to do it fit TRD ones.

Considering that the stock geometry is designed for 17" wheels and the response of the std tyres, you need to re think your geometry.

Less camber at the rear, more toe out F & R, pull the front castor forward. Trial and error till you get it right for your ride height etc.

 

Bolt on and drive 19" are unlikely to reach their full potential. Its like bolting on a single and not touching the fuel system.

[wkdtime]

apart from the too low tyre profile and extra stress on suspension components. 19's will only ever handle "ok" IMO. Ask Chris Wilson what he thinks about fitting 19's, I think I know what he'll say.

 

Lol have you have read what i said, stock suspension or springs are not ideal, coilovers with adjustable shocks can take this extra hammering and abosorb through the uprated shocks thats come with the coilover kits,

 

everyone here with 19's has pretty much said the same thing, it handles well, not as good as 18's or 17's and it does not cause stress on the suspension components if the suspension has been set up to match the 19's, like i have been saying since the last 20 posts,

 

mate have you had 19's with the correct suspension set up, i.e adjustable ride height/shocks?? any pics? if not then stop with the it will do this, it will do that, it will effect this, it will effect that, someone has initially asked for an opinion at the start of this thread, i and alot of fellow memebrs have told him what we think, as i have ahd 17's, 18's, 19's, so im sure i can adequately give him feedback, where as your just singing the same tune that every other anti 19's member is, ths stock suspension was not designed to take 19's, correct! but coilovers or other suspension chnages can adequately compensate for it, i know because i have done this, so have many other members with success.

[Ray]

I have 19's and stock 17's...

 

Tbh i dont see the need for 17's on the road, i mean i live in London and the maximum speed i do on most roads is 30mph so my 19's are fine at taking corners at 30mph

My 17's are for track days and yes they handle better but im sure we will all agree they dont look as good as 19's.... ohhh im vain yeh

[Thorin]

Lol have you have read what i said, stock suspension or springs are not ideal, coilovers with adjustable shocks can take this extra hammering and abosorb through the uprated shocks thats come with the coilover kits,

 

It's not just about bolting some aftermarket shocks on, you can't change the whole suspension arms and subframe.

 

everyone here with 19's has pretty much said the same thing, it handles well, not as good as 18's or 17's and

 

I've been saying the same, are you listening? have YOU read what I said?

 

it does not cause stress on the suspension components if the suspension has been set up to match the 19's, like i have been saying since the last 20 posts,

 

See my first response, yes it does, but it's probably nothing major.

 

mate have you had 19's with the correct suspension set up, i.e adjustable ride height/shocks?? any pics? if not then stop with the it will do this, it will do that, it will effect this, it will effect that, someone has initially asked for an opinion at the start of this thread, i and alot of fellow memebrs have told him what we think, as i have ahd 17's, 18's, 19's, so im sure i can adequately give him feedback, where as your just singing the same tune that every other anti 19's member is, ths stock suspension was not designed to take 19's, correct! but coilovers or other suspension chnages can adequately compensate for it, i know because i have done this, so have many other members with success.

 

I've driven supras with 19" wheels on stock bilsteins, and I've been a passenger in another with coilovers. 19" wheels DO NOT HANDLE AS WELL AS 17 or 18's. Please feel free to post exactly the same pointless comments again.

[Thorin]

And another thing seeing as I'm so bored and you're so fun. How many supra's have YOU been in? How many have YOU driven on 17's, 18's and 19's? er, and tell me... how long have you owned a supra again?

[wkdtime]

Have driven 8 supras on stock to 19's , my uncles imports them, MR2's and People carriers, I have owned my supra for 2 years now, mate with the correct dampening with coilovers the suspension is not going to die sometime soon, well may be in 8 years or so, lol its a modification, which is not better than 18's nor 17's i have clearly stated that, but you keep higlighting this fact, a pat on the back for you for stating the obvious, what has been sent by many and the damn point that im trying to bring accross which only you have trouble understanding is that with the correct following,

 

Correct offsets,

Light wheels,

Suspension to match, i.e adjustable dampers

 

19's DO handle well on the car, NOT as good as 18's, NOT as good as 17's, NOT anywhere near as good as 16's,

 

but THEY do handle pretty well on the ROAD, i assume this is where 90% of supra drivers drive theyre cars.

[RedM]

One thing's certain if they build the MKV it won't have 17" wheels, they'll be a minimum of 19".

 

They'll design the car with that wheel size in mind though. So what was your point?

[Thorin]

Have driven 8 supras on stock to 19's , my uncles imports them, MR2's and People carriers, I have owned my supra for 2 years now, mate with the correct dampening with coilovers the suspension is not going to die sometime soon, well may be in 8 years or so, lol its a modification, which is not better than 18's nor 17's i have clearly stated that, but you keep higlighting this fact, a pat on the back for you for stating the obvious

 

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=33856

 

Going by that post a little over a year ago, you hadn't even got one yet. Plus you're asking what kind of boost you should be expecting etc. etc. Doesn't sound like a man who's driven 8 supras. I could post more if you like. I've said all along they don't handle as well as 17's or 18's, and time and time again you post to say "19's do handle!". I'm no suspension specialist, it's blatently obvious neither are you, why don't you ask someone like Chris Wilson about the problems with fitting 19" wheels?

[Chiefgroover]

but coilovers or other suspension chnages can adequately compensate for it, i know because i have done this, so have many other members with success.

 

 

Coilovers? adequately compensate?

The biggest improvement i got with my short experience with 19" was with changed geometry settings and the bushes. The coilovers helped but not to the same effect as the geometry changes. I wouldnt fancy ever running 19" again on coilovers alone. (they came off due to two on the lhs getting buckled on a pot hole).

[wkdtime]

Coilovers? adequately compensate?

The biggest improvement i got with my short experience with 19" was with changed geometry settings and the bushes. The coilovers helped but not to the same effect as the geometry changes. I wouldnt fancy ever running 19" again on coilovers alone. (they came off due to two on the lhs getting buckled on a pot hole).

 

Guys maybe it's the quality of the wheels you had (mine are very light, lighter than my 18's), or suspension set up and of course geomtery helps a great deal, but my handling is pretty good, compared to my 18's i had did not notice a signifcant difference in handling, just a harsher ride, which should be expected OBVIOUSLY, this is fact, i cant prove with reults, can only say from experience, why is it so hard to believe???

[wkdtime]

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=33856

 

Going by that post a little over a year ago, you hadn't even got one yet. Plus you're asking what kind of boost you should be expecting etc. etc. Doesn't sound like a man who's driven 8 supras. I could post more if you like. I've said all along they don't handle as well as 17's or 18's, and time and time again you post to say "19's do handle!". I'm no suspension specialist, it's blatently obvious neither are you, why don't you ask someone like Chris Wilson about the problems with fitting 19" wheels?

 

Oye mate, just because i had driven them doesnt mean i should know about boost increase, mods, or what boost it should be running etc, i was a complete novice, i did not OWN the supras, i drove them under trade insurance from southampton docks and once registered i drove them quite a bit, i only came aware of this forum last feb at which point i was looking to buy a supe, my uncle had then stopped importing so i thought id buy one from here in the UK my self and had no idea what to look out for as im not mechanical minded so i consulted this forum, its a pretty cheap stunt what you just pulled mate, i cant be asked into analysing all your previous threads

as like many other members here i have a life., so what else are you going to try and fish out? the number of parking tickets i've had?

 

p.s, Chris Wilson does not drive my car, I DO, how can he even begin to attempt to even tell me how my car will handle with 19's, when i drive it everyday and know exactly how it handles?

 

Generally 19's with supes dont go with handling we all pretty much know that, but why are you ignoring what i have been saying all this time that the weight of the wheels the suspension have a major part to play in the handling, hence why if you

choose very light weight 19's (magnesium alloy), correct suspension, offsets, they DO handle pretty well! unless what i have been driving for the past year and half is actually not a supra, it handles pretty well on 19's with my set up.