Terminator Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 I have scrubbed in the new F1 rears and started to push them to the limit. On hard tight corners the F1’s squeal a little before they let go. The SO3’s never did this. The break away/slide point seems to come in more quickly ie a bit less forgiving on the F1. They are very good, but if I was replacing them tomorrow, it would be with SO3’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 How do the F1's 'feel' on the limit? I have heard that the S03's are better for out and out grip in the dry but that the F1's give more feedback to the driver on the limit and can give more confidence. I guess if you hear them squeeling you know not to push it much more S02's at the moment which have been great. Not that impressive in the wet (latterally in particular) but great in the dry. F1's on order and arriving later this week. If I could have found anywhere that could get the new Kumho's (KU15 Ecsta MX), I was thinking I'd give those a try. For a 'budget' tyre they are supposed to be very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 Interesting thoughts T. Will have to try them next, always loved the Goodyear F1s Gaz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted July 21, 2003 Author Share Posted July 21, 2003 They don't give me the confidence the SO'3 gave, but that could be because I am stiil getting used to the F1's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith C Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 I found the F1's better than the SO-2's I had - less absolute grip, but much more feel, meaning I could actually go faster as I knew what the car was up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Kumho's are 'OK', F1's are my choice, but go for the same in all four corners. F1 rears and Kumho fronts meant chronic understeer in the wet, safe i spose but not much fun............ NB I except other combo's may well work better / in your favour, just not this one IMO ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted July 22, 2003 Author Share Posted July 22, 2003 I was running F1 front and SO3 rear on 17 inch rims.for 7000 miles. It was a very good combination. This is the fist time I have had the same tire front and rear I will give the F1 rears a little longer and push them harder. So far it is a close thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyefi Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 ive been punishing my all 4 corner 17" so3's for a month or so now and they r phenominal, cant fault em. i find it really difficult to make em let go, u really have to provoke it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon F Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Originally posted by eyefi ive been punishing my all 4 corner 17" so3's for a month or so now and they r phenominal, cant fault em. i find it really difficult to make em let go, u really have to provoke it. Yep - I agree with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted July 22, 2003 Author Share Posted July 22, 2003 The front F1 rear SO3 combo was good in the wet too. The F1 shifted so much water it gave the SO3's a cleared area of tarmac. The S03's really can take some stick though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Anyone remember the price they paid for SO3's, you can get F1's for just over £400 in standard sizes + how did the SO3's wear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted July 22, 2003 Author Share Posted July 22, 2003 I think my SO3's were about £130ish a tire, not sure about wear rate as I have not got them any more. Unless wear rates are silly it is not something that bothers me, I am after out right grip. IMHO you get what you pay for, no point in compromising on the cars contact point with the road, ultimately performance or the ability to utilise it is down to tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon F Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Originally posted by Scooter Anyone remember the price they paid for SO3's, you can get F1's for just over £400 in standard sizes + how did the SO3's wear? I recently got a pair of stock rear SO-3's from Micheldever for £247 delivered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 I think you'll find the F1's improve with wear. I remember Ant (Richards m8 with the scooby+supra) saying that he wasnt too impressed when he first had them fitted, but once they worn in they were awesome... and we all know how he likes his grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughie Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Originally posted by Bobbeh I think you'll find the F1's improve with wear. I remember Ant (Richards m8 with the scooby+supra) saying that he wasnt too impressed when he first had them fitted, but once they worn in they were awesome... and we all know how he likes his grip I agree with this. Most tyres, even after scrubbing in, don't perform their best for a while. In fact, in the dry, a newer tyre of any brand will almost always be outperformed by the exact same tyre that hasn't got much tread left. This is because in the dry, you get too much tread block squirm on a new tyre, and more grip on a tyre with little tread left. Of course in the wet it's completely the other way round. Give em a few thousand miles and I reckon they'll be a their best then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Quote Terminator 'IMHO you get what you pay for, no point in compromising on the cars contact point with the road, ultimately performance or the ability to utilise it is down to tires.' Agreed........... major leap in performance re kumho (sub £75 Fr) and F1's (approx £100), well worth the extra £100 for the F1's, will let others comment on SO3's compared to F1's. BTW +10K from the F1 rears on a manual TT with traction fuse pulled (only 2 or 3 car park donoughnuts + pod and woodbridge once) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 Well got a new pair of Eagle F1's last night. £340 for two 255/35/18's inc fitting balancing etc. which seemed pretty damn good. First opinions, excellent! But I've not really given it much stick as I've only driven to work and back so far and the roads were a little damp still. Had a few spirited launches from traffic lights though Been driving around with pretty much no tread for quite a while so these just seem excellent compared, I guess time will tell how well they bare up. Had S02's on previously but I was never impressed with them in wet conditions. In the dry they were very good, but towards the end of their life (did ~10k miles) they seemed to break away very quickly when on the limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 Terminator, Hows the new rubber now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 Very little between the SO2 and the F1's IMO. The SO2's had maybe slightly better grip in the dry but in the wet they were pretty crap IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 Sorry Michael, I did not re-read the second post in where you also have gone from Bridgestones to the F1's. Cheers for the update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted September 12, 2003 Author Share Posted September 12, 2003 The F1's are awesome now, they really hold well round corners no matter how hard I push it. Just tonight I got a lovely drift out of a roundabout total control all the way. Should have seen the face on the guy driving a jag in the other lane;) F1's are excellent just as good if not better than the SO3's in the dry. Not much wet stuff so no comment at the moment, I have only driven on one damp road since mid July. Billing if I remember correctly, haven’t washed it since either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 Cool F1's it is all round when I get her back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez sutherland Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 I'm glad to hear that the F1s are loooking so good. Got to be honest though and say that is will take something really impressive to get me off the S03s. I read the odd comment about the supe being a handfull and traction catching people out etc........always maskes me wonder whether I am driving like a pussy or whether other people are on crap tires...........I don't drive like a pussy! When I got my supe (UK TT 6spd) it has crap tires and was scary - changing to the Bridgestones actually makes the car feel too safe and slow - I need loads more power now to feel even remotely challenged. That having been said - I respect the power in the wet and don't really push it. Do you guys thik this could be cos I've got a 'laggy' UK car? I recon this might make a difference? Jezza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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