hogmaw Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Lots more to come if our government has it's way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 If you look at all the major brands you will find they are all made in China these days, so I cant see a problem, as most things already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Don't quite understand why some are on their high horse when it comes to China and Russia..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Pretty much everything is made in China these days, an to be frank they are building much better quality products than they used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Pretty much everything is made in China these days, an to be frank they are building much better quality products than they used to. But, they are still decades behind us in some regards. Generally speaking, they haven't been a country of innovators for the last century. Possibly the creative spark was blown out but Mao, who murdered them in the tens of millions. They take Western / Russian developed products, and reverse engineer them. This is one of the reasons why the west suffers so much industrial cyber crime from China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Airbus A350 program I work on for a couple more days now is going to manufactured in the majority in brand new factories in China. A hell of alot of European engineering expertise has gone into building comprehensive manufacturing complexes across all of asia. The quality aspect is still being run from Europe. Face it there is an economic work force that will do as they are told and be grateful for the work out there, can't say the same about most British manufacturing sites! There is an in-grained disgruntlment within manufacturing organisations that seems to be of the opinion that these big companies somehow have bottomless pockets and are making vast fortunes at their personal expense. Nothing could be further from the truth. As we are seeing lately huge established works are closing having made massive losses for years. The place I work in now is losing tens of millions a year, the new site in Suzhou will turn a profit inside 5 years. What do you reckon will happen to the UK site? A guy I work with used to specialise in factory closures with transfer to to the likes of Korea. He'd been doing that for ten years. Wake up and smell the coffee, our manufacturing organisations are outdated, our workforce significantly more expensive, our management structures lost in the past and the rest of the world is educating itself faster and cheaper then we are. A new approach is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Airbus A350 program I work on for a couple more days now is going to manufactured in the majority in brand new factories in China. A hell of alot of European engineering expertise has gone into building comprehensive manufacturing complexes across all of asia. The quality aspect is still being run from Europe. Face it there is an economic work force that will do as they are told and be grateful for the work out there, can't say the same about most British manufacturing sites! There is an in-grained disgruntlment within manufacturing organisations that seems to be of the opinion that these big companies somehow have bottomless pockets and are making vast fortunes at their personal expense. Nothing could be further from the truth. As we are seeing lately huge established works are closing having made massive losses for years. The place I work in now is losing tens of millions a year, the new site in Suzhou will turn a profit inside 5 years. What do you reckon will happen to the UK site? A guy I work with used to specialise in factory closures with transfer to to the likes of Korea. He'd been doing that for ten years. Wake up and smell the coffee, our manufacturing organisations are outdated, our workforce significantly more expensive, our management structures lost in the past and the rest of the world is educating itself faster and cheaper then we are. A new approach is needed. Nail on the head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoaster Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Good luck with your Chinese Nuclear power stations, one thing that makes me shudder is the idea of cut price nuclear facilities and infrastructure.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 Wake up and smell the coffee, our manufacturing organisations are outdated, our workforce significantly more expensive, our management structures lost in the past and the rest of the world is educating itself faster and cheaper then we are. A new approach is needed. Yes yes and yes; but we're not on a level playing field. Their wages are piss poor because their government treats its citizens worse than animals. Remember Tiananmen Square - it's the same government that's in charge now as was then. I want to buy British stuff, but I can't cos the market is flooded with cheap Chinese stuff of dubious quality or bootleg illegal copies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Welcome to globalisation we have become so addicted to cheap goods that we flood our country with foreign goods, and our labour markets with foreign workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippyboyo1 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I do a lot in china, 95% of there work is fab, the other 5% is shit and then They rob you if quality control is not in place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Nail on the head Agree - Good Post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Yes yes and yes; but we're not on a level playing field. Their wages are piss poor because their government treats its citizens worse than animals. Remember Tiananmen Square - it's the same government that's in charge now as was then. Are we trying to dictate to the Chinese how they should be running their affairs...... I want to buy British stuff, but I can't cos the market is flooded with cheap Chinese stuff of dubious quality or bootleg illegal copies. Supply and Demand.....its as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Whilst China may have, in some people's opinion, poor "human rights", it could be said we here have gone too far the other way with employers having to tolerate women taking months off when they have kids, fathers having similar rights, Draconian health and safety legislation and Green laws that stagnate productivity, and an expectation of a living standard none commensurate with your abilities. This makes us uncompetitive as workers are spending hours a week working to just pay for the bureaucratic red tape to be overcome. In the electronics world some absolute top quality gear is coming out of China at prices the West couldn't possibly compete with. the playing fields will level out in time, the Chinese are already realising working for a bowl of rice is not what they want, and the workers expecting a better standard of living. There is some junk, and worse, counterfeit stuff of course, apparently whole regions are geared up to removing markings from cheap semiconductor devices and re-marking them as more costly ones. Even Boeing was caught out and bought counterfeit cap head bolts that were made from recycled bicycles. Until the Chinese got into this counterfeiting a cap head could always be relied on as one of the best threaded fasteners money could buy. Now one has to be VERY careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie_k83 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 If the product works and its quality is good regardless of what it is, who cares where it is from? How many of you are running Brian Crower or K1 parts in their cars? They're made in China by Bridgeway. BC Racing coilovers? made in Taiwan (So i hear) Whiteline? Were made in Korea, but now have factories in Vietnam. That being said, the products work well. Suply, Demand, simple... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dim Sum Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 95% of the item we have in house is probably from China, do you owe a iPhone or any other smartphone devices well most of the components are made from China so does that mean that iphone is crap or poorly built? Lets just face it, China is pretty much manufacturing all if not most of the goods we use today. Just like our The primary sector of the economy, we don't produce has much as we use too because its cheaper to import. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 95% of the item we have in house is probably from China, do you owe a iPhone or any other smartphone devices well most of the components are made from China so does that mean that iphone is crap or poorly built? Lets just face it, China is pretty much manufacturing all if not most of the goods we use today. Just like our The primary sector of the economy, we don't produce has much as we use too because its cheaper to import. Yup. Can't believe people are surprised that most of the stuff we use/buy on a daily basis comes from China. It's long been that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomyspeedy Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 It is surprising to realise just how much of the items around us have been manufactured in China. So long as there are quality controls in place it can only be a positive thing, we love our cheep goods but in the long run we need some quality behind them. We clearly can't export goods as well as them, let's get behind exporting some tertiary industry. We know what we and we even know how to make it, let's educate others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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