ManwithSupra Posted March 20, 2008 Author Share Posted March 20, 2008 Hi Yeah i am going to check tomorrow, i am not using the car since i heard this sound so whatever damage has been done i am not adding to it. When i checked on the night i heard the sound i could not see the pully wobbling at all but then i was using a torch and it was dark but i didnt check for play in the unit - going to have a fun bank holiday weekend eh ! lol If the worst comes to the worst and i have to buy another engine i would rather buy a low mileage engine for ££££'s one than pay for ££££'s of repairs to a engine which may not be in the best of condition.... But fair play this is the only "possibly" major thing that has gone wrong with the supe, over the 3 years i have had her - and they are not getting any younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I had this with a car where the harmonic damper was loose. It had chewed up the key way in the crank and worn the crank nose, because the owner left it hoping the noise would fix itself I'd have a good look in that area, and check the torque on the crank pulley bolt. If it's loose re torquing is NOT a satisfactory fix! Crikey. Must have been a loose front crank bolt, then. Every good designer knows that you never, ever put drive loads through a keyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted March 21, 2008 Author Share Posted March 21, 2008 Looks like it is the crank pully, looking at it is vibrating a bit and there seems to be oil behind it - which i would imagine is not good. (just waiting to upload a better quality video of that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
and1c Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Looks like it is the crank pully, looking at it it is vibrating a bit lot and there seems to be oil behind it - which i would imagine is not good. (just waiting to upload a better quality video of that). Not good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted March 21, 2008 Author Share Posted March 21, 2008 Do you think it a major failure? i.e new engine time ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Do you think it a major failure? i.e new engine time ?? You'll need to remove the pulley and check the condition of the end of the crank, if it has damaged the crank like the example CW posted earlier this will be costly. Hopefully the crank is okay and you can get away with fitting a new pulley and oil seal. It would be worth taking the opportunity to fit a new oil pump at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
and1c Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 You'll need to remove the pulley and check the condition of the end of the crank, if it has damaged the crank like the example CW posted earlier this will be costly. Hopefully the crank is okay and you can get away with fitting a new pulley and oil seal. It would be worth taking the opportunity to fit a new oil pump at the same time. Not wanting to be a scare mongerer But he also needs to investigate the cause of the damper coming loose... If it is due to not being torqued correctly during a replacement for example, and there is no damage to the crank (unlikely), all tolerances are ok...(end play for example) It may be ok. But if a failing thrust bearing has caused the damper wobble, then a new damper will not fix it IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 I have never seen a failed thrust washer on any MKIV engine. Maybe if an aftermarket clutch was VERY wrongly adjusted you might see it, but otherwise thrust washers see negligible load. The damper needs to come off and the crank snout properly examined next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ManwithSupra Posted March 21, 2008 Author Share Posted March 21, 2008 Anyone have a how to on how to remove the crank pully on a Auto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
and1c Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 I have never seen a failed thrust washer on any MKIV engine. Maybe if an aftermarket clutch was VERY wrongly adjusted you might see it, but otherwise thrust washers see negligible load. The damper needs to come off and the crank snout properly examined next. Interesting.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Anyone have a how to on how to remove the crank pully on a Auto? where in Hants are you mate............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 Hi Mate, i am in chandlers ford next to eastligh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 I have never seen a failed thrust washer on any MKIV engine. Maybe if an aftermarket clutch was VERY wrongly adjusted you might see it, but otherwise thrust washers see negligible load. The damper needs to come off and the crank snout properly examined next. Was going to attempt to do this today but the weather is to bad, so if the snout is not damaged is it a case of putting on a new oil seal and pully? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 You'll need to remove the pulley and check the condition of the end of the crank, if it has damaged the crank like the example CW posted earlier this will be costly. Hopefully the crank is okay and you can get away with fitting a new pulley and oil seal. It would be worth taking the opportunity to fit a new oil pump at the same time. Looking on toyota EPC i cannot see an oil seal for the front of the engine do you mean the thrust washers?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Hi Mate, i am in chandlers ford next to eastligh ah bit of a trek Was going to attempt to do this today but the weather is to bad and yes the weather is harsh............. let em know if you get really stuck, i have the tools and a used crank pulley we could try etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 Yeah mate, i will let you know, cheers - great club spirit !, i will have a go once the weather clears up a bit (sleeting at the mo) if i get stuck mate i will let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 Just a quick question, can you remove the crank pully without removing the cambelt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 yep! have a look for marksupras guide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 yep! have a look for marksupras guide Cheers that is a good guide - looks like i am going to have to attempt this tomoz due to sideways sleet and rain Just for some info what size is the nut on the Crank pully, and in the event that all that is needed to sort the problem is to change the pully what is the lbs of Torque needed to tighten the bolt back up (also will i need a new bolt?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 odd size, 22mm impact socket required.............. do you have a gear puller? sturdy breaker bar/scaffold pole! torque is high not sure of exact figure of the top of my head........new bolt not required........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 Yeah i have a breaker bar torque wrench, and a gear puller is not that hard to get hold of, looks like i just need to get the 22mm impact socket, Does anyone know the torque spec for the crank pully? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
and1c Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Yeah i have a breaker bar torque wrench, and a gear puller is not that hard to get hold of, looks like i just need to get the 22mm impact socket, Does anyone know the torque spec for the crank pully? 324 NM or 239 Ft Lbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 Cheers mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted March 23, 2008 Author Share Posted March 23, 2008 Just checked on the torque wrench mine only goes up to 210nm going to have to buy another one now The weather is still quite bad so i doubt i will be able to get this crank pully off today - looks like it going to have to be tomoz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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