how do you monitor intake temps/thermal gaskets any good

Guy and gals

i was wondering how can you monitor the intake temps on a jspec im going to be fitting a thermal intake gasket and was going to record the differances to see what gains are to be had but how can i do this ?

A before and after shoot-out would tell you more.

A before and after shoot-out would tell you more.

exactly dave! are you going to be monitoring yours?

Where do you want to measure the intake temperature? If it's before the gasket then it'll make no difference.

As above, the gasket seperates the intake manifold from the head so measuring temps wont mean anything.

As above, the gasket seperates the intake manifold from the head so measuring temps wont mean anything.

Got any snake oil going spare?

Got your seals packed by the way, I'm working tomorrow so I'll try to pop to the post office on my way home

Lol Ill have a look Cool, no rush mate, Im away myself for 2 weeks from tuesday anyway.

Because of the weight of the charge-cooler I have decided against using a thermal gasket, the AIT sensor is located after cc and before runners.

Where do you want to measure the intake temperature? If it's before the gasket then it'll make no difference.

Please read

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?178422-Intake-temps./page2&highlight=intake+thermal+gasket

As above, the gasket seperates the intake manifold from the head so measuring temps wont mean anything.

seems you was in this thread swampy!

if i was taking the temperature before the gasket which i would like to do why wouldnt it make a differance? i read in some thread it dropped temps by 10 c

surely the gasket is stopping heat soak from being bolted to the head?

a few people have them fitted im sure they may come along and say with any luck

Please read

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?178422-Intake-temps./page2&highlight=intake+thermal+gasket

 

 

 

seems you was in this thread swampy!

 

 

if i was taking the temperature before the gasket which i would like to do why wouldnt it make a differance? i read in some thread it dropped temps by 10 c

surely the gasket is stopping heat soak from being bolted to the head?

 

a few people have them fitted im sure they may come along and say with any luck

I would be amazed if it made that difference to the air temperature. To be honest the difference noticed on the gauge was probably from the lesser heatsoak on the sensor housing rather than the actual air temp.

I would be amazed if it made that difference to the air temperature. To be honest the difference noticed on the gauge was probably from the lesser heatsoak on the sensor housing rather than the actual air temp.

It does make sence to me being that if you touch your intercooler its no way near at hot as the intake so it must be getting that extra heat from the engine + bay.

i have changed the title to hopfully get someone that might know have a look, i did bye it from ryan and even he said it drops the temps alot in the for sale thread

I does make sence to me being that if you touch your intercooler its no way near at hot as the intake so it must be getting that extra heat from the engine + bay.

i have changed the title to hopfully get someone that might know have a look, i did bye it from ryan and even he said it drops the temps alot in the for sale thread

Well that's obvious, the intercooler is "outside" the engine bay and the intake manifold is inside. No matter what sort of insulation you put between the intake and the head the intake is still going to be miles hotter than the intercooler.

The question you need to be looking at is whether putting an insulator between the intake and the block drops the intake enough to actually have a positive effect on the air. We know that it has a positive effect on the intake air temperature sensor, but does it actually have any effect on the air. Remember that the intake sensor is going to be mounted on the intake and therefor the casing of the intake sensor is going to be effected dramatically by the temperature of the intake.

I reckon that the difference in the actual intake air temperature will be negligeable.

Easy way to check would be to fit a long thermocouple probe, that way you could centralise the probe in one of the intake runners and the housing of the sensor would make no difference.

negligeable difference just like heat wrapping our exhuast but we all still do it, its was a cheap mod

i wanted to know how to test the intake temp to have some real results before and after fitting so could know the facts. to save debaits about it

negligeable difference just like heat wrapping our exhuast but we all still do it, its was a cheap mod

i wanted to know how to test the intake temp to have some real results before and after fitting so could know the facts. to save debaits about it

There will still be debate though. As I said, the housing of the sensor will be affected therefor skewing the actual air temperature.

Anyway, I feel like I'm going round in circles and my points aren't being grasped so I'll leave you to it

I logged mine via the powerFc datalogit, my ait's were very low due to a combination of a cold air box housing the filter built under the headlight and meth injection. The thermal gasket will help prevent heatsoak in traffic/staging but will be minimal compared to the other mods.

I logged mine via the powerFc datalogit' date=' my ait's were very low due to a combination of a cold air box housing the filter built under the headlight and meth injection. The thermal gasket will help prevent heatsoak in traffic/staging but will be minimal compared to the other mods.[/quote']

 

Totally agree.

i agree too, thats why i want to see what the differance was with and with out, i have a fic which i could maybe log the ait if i knew the correct voltages of what comes out the stock sensor to corrrect temp

i agree too, thats why i want to see what the differance was with and with out, i have a fic which i could maybe log the ait if i knew the correct voltages of what comes out the stock sensor to corrrect temp

Ryan would know the output values. If your AIT sensor is in the stock position, the readings will be tainted by heatsoak, I moved mine to the ic pipework (just before the throttle body) for that reason.

Ryan would know the output values. If your AIT sensor is in the stock position' date=' the readings will be tainted by heatsoak, I moved mine to the ic pipework (just before the throttle body) for that reason.[/quote']

 

He's not following that train of thought unfortunately. I've mentioned the sensor being affected more than the air but it seems to be falling on deaf ears.

Guy and gals

i was wondering how can you monitor the intake temps on a jspec im going to be fitting a thermal intake gasket and was going to record the differances to see what gains are to be had but how can i do this ?

A logged probe before the gasket and after the gasket, but it will be a waste of money, the sir flow is so fast and of such volume that the temperature of the walls of the "pipes" under boost or at cruise will be of little significance to the AIT as a whole. Heat soak may be effected, but over the course of a few seconds it will be negligible. Google thermodynamics in tubes.

sod the test then, i will just fit it and know that its there and doing not alot but abit lol, cheers for the input guys