Bobbeh Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Not that I need it of course.. but Im glad to be on cable (Now fix the Digital TV plz ) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7112373.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 I wish we could get cable, but the cable companies stopped expanding their networks years ago. Stuck on 2MB ADSL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Crazy. All these damned home users are clogging up the Internet and expect to pay nothing for their bandwidth. We're heading for major slowdowns as companies that own the backbone infrastructure aren't keeping up with demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamanC Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted November 26, 2007 Author Share Posted November 26, 2007 We're heading for major slowdowns as companies that own the backbone infrastructure aren't keeping up with demand. Well part of the idea is that people dont clog up the system as they get what they want quicker, so its a shorter shaprer download in theory... but of course you get the leechers downloading whole series of Lost and Sesame street etc... but even with those 50bmit they should download pretty damn fast I believe threre's already progress on the internet-2 or something, like a separate government/business network free of general internet users that is shared by everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 I'm with Virgin and the broadband service rocks. BT should have thought about fibre years ago, they should be shot for that. They are going to lose a lot of customers in future years because the service isn't going to cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 More than half of all UK homes now have a broadband connection, at an average speed of four megabits a second (Mbps). I WISH ! BT have just about managed to get 0.8mpbs to my house, and that's providing there's no slight wind outside, it's not raining and there are no birds sitting on the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 It's about time the Govt worked out how BT are going to upgrade all the copper wiring without extra funds. Maybe all carriers interested in supplying services in UK should be forced to contribute. The way it is right now, BT would carry all the costs of upgrading, then all the other carriers would jump on the unbundling bandwagon and get the benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 I believe there's already progress on the internet-2 or something, like a separate government/business network free of general internet users that is shared by everyone else. It's been around a while. That's a US thing - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/10/internet2_100gbps_completed/ I expect ntl:Teleworst are bumping up the bandwidth in preparation for new IP services direct from them. Hosting facilities won't be able to sustain the bandwidth demand if everyone had those speeds at home. Consider that a 1Gb bearer with 100Mb transit over leased line costs approx £60k per annum into us here and it's obvious to see what will happen. Also note that in order to provide resiliency we need two of these links, one from BT, one from ntl:TW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshBhp Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Hmm, i wonder if my special Motorola modem box can handle 50mbps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Hmm, i wonder if my special Motorola modem box can handle 50mbps Not something I'd considered previously... Old news -> http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/38332 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Seems you can do it using "Sigma". http://www.securityfocus.com/news/7977 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 So if Virgin release the 50 mbps does that mean it will be "up to" that should mean i will get the 20mbps i pay for at the moment then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 It's all to do with contention ratios and rate adaptive technologies down big pipes. It's better than ADSL There's been a lot of stuff in the media of recent about how ADSL users aren't getting "what they pay for". It's completely irresponsible of the reporters as they simply do not understand the technology involved. If you ring up an ADSL supplier complaining that you don't receive 8Mb, but only 4Mb there is naff all they can do about it. It's a technology limitation (as mentioned above). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 It's all to do with contention ratios and rate adaptive technologies down big pipes. It's better than ADSL There's been a lot of stuff in the media of recent about how ADSL users aren't getting "what they pay for". It's completely irresponsible of the reporters as they simply do not understand the technology involved. If you ring up an ADSL supplier complaining that you don't receive 8Mb, but only 4Mb there is naff all they can do about it. It's a technology limitation (as mentioned above). I am aware of that pete. but quoting up to 20mbps is a very vague term and shouldn't be allowed to used as a marketing tool in the way it is at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 It's all to do with contention ratios and rate adaptive technologies down big pipes. It's better than ADSL There's been a lot of stuff in the media of recent about how ADSL users aren't getting "what they pay for". It's completely irresponsible of the reporters as they simply do not understand the technology involved. If you ring up an ADSL supplier complaining that you don't receive 8Mb, but only 4Mb there is naff all they can do about it. It's a technology limitation (as mentioned above). I think the intention is to put enough pressure on the ISPs that they, in turn, hassle BT and the Govt. for a better infrastructure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 http://www.internode.on.net/images/copyright/internode-adsl2-distance.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 I think the intention is to put enough pressure on the ISPs that they, in turn, hassle BT and the Govt. for a better infrastructure. Ha! They have no idea what this costs to simply answer the phone calls and talk to these muppets. Can I charge this time back to them? Can I f**k. If you want fast, reliable Internet connection go and buy a leased line. Fast. Cheap. Reliable. - pick two of those as you won't ever get all three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Ha! They have no idea what this costs to simply answer the phone calls and talk to these muppets. Can I charge this time back to them? Can I f**k. If you want fast, reliable Internet connection go and buy a leased line. Fast. Cheap. Reliable. - pick two of those as you won't ever get all three. Thing is though, Pete, why should we be lagging behind the other countries that are forging ahead? ...because it's too expensive? Sums our little nation up a treat that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Thing is though, Pete, why should we be lagging behind the other countries that are forging ahead? ...because it's too expensive? Sums our little nation up a treat that! I can only give you my perspective as an ISP and ADSL reseller. The end users don't want to pay for it, BT doesn't want to reduce their profits. Unfortunately as a country we have a long historical infrastructure which was setup by one company which can't be replaced overnight and will cost £££'s to upgrade. Cable companies may have the jump on BT here as they've been putting newer networks in place for the last 20 years. LLU may help further. Ain't competition great? Sweden, Germany etc are much better places to live for connectivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Cable companies may have the jump on BT here as they've been putting newer networks in place for the last 20 years. Not for a good few years they haven't, indeed Virgin have no plans on expanding the cable infrastructure, relying on technologies DSL instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Not for a good few years they haven't, indeed Virgin have no plans on expanding the cable infrastructure, relying on technologies DSL instead. I expect it depends on where you live. Cost to replace vs adopting current. Telford is riddled with Cable only links as it's a new town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted November 26, 2007 Author Share Posted November 26, 2007 Cable companies may have the jump on BT here as they've been putting newer networks in place for the last 20 years. LLU may help further. Ain't competition great? Indeed, and thats why NTL/TW have been in such dire straights fincancially, hopefully Mr Branson can dig them out of the hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Indeed, and that's why NTL/TW have been in such dire straights financially, hopefully Mr Branson can dig them out of the hole He likes a challenge doesn't he? I note he is the favoured bidder for Northern Rock today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted November 26, 2007 Author Share Posted November 26, 2007 Yup. I think he likes to be seen as a Knight in shining armour trying to helpout etc.. and make a profit in the long run also. I believe hes putting up £200 million of his own cash to help with the Northern Rock crisis... so obviously hes putting a lot of his own affiars at stake. Plus the Virgin brand one that hes trying to develop and a lot of people like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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