Gaz Walker Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 What absolute crap. http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/10/7037.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_blackman Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Thats a load of rubbish, making motorsport well formula 1 even more boring!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 that has just ended my support of F1. WTF are thinking... in 5 - 6 years the cars will be obsolete. IDIOTS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 they should unrestrict everything. let the designers work there magic. see how fast we can possibly go. bring back the 6 wheeled cars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daston Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 aye they keep saying "the down force on these cars are so great they could drive inverted" well I bloody well want to see it! A good inverted back straight or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 What a complete waste of time, F1 is supposed to be the ultimate in racing and development. I can see no benefit to the sport by doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil tt Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 It will be a total waiste of time, so the ones a t the front will stay in front, and the ones at the back stay there, sounds great, not:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDriver Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 What the heck! This is really awefull. No devellopment, and also no jobs for the engineers Bring back the turbo engines!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd_t Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 what a load of rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2 MSW Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 It will be a total waiste of time, so the ones a t the front will stay in front, and the ones at the back stay there, sounds great, not:( your forgeting there are no small companies developing F1 engines anymore. With exception of toyota as they are not near the top of the grid!! All the back of the field teams run customer engines of the top teams - STR ferrari, redbull renault etc. The should have commited to bio desiel or something but as everyone has said give the engineers a free reign! Its meant to cut cost but i doubt it actually does as im sure the large teams just divert the money to somewhere else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadburys Purple Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Get rid of all radio contact from pit to driver, all fly by wire driver aids and other driver aids such as traction control and abs and lets see some real racing!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I believe there is scope to change this, but, if the engines arn't to change it's probably because of the laws of diminishing returns...after all they arn't allowed to tryout composites in the engines etc. It makes no real sense to waste development time on them, other than to level the playing field. (I do think all the engines should be dyno tested by the FIA and allowances made for the weakest engines to catch up a bit....otherwise it's a permanent disadvantage...but then again maybe they have and there is none? So what are we left with? A HUGE push on Energy Reclaimation. There will be a massive push by the teams focused on getting the most out of each kj of energy.... So what can we expect? Brake systems that charge batteries? Drivetrain systems that do the same (mainly on lift/deceleration I expect)? New, lighter and better battery technologies? Exhaust heat systems akin to BMW's Steam system? Different Fuel?! The important thing to note with all of this is that these technologies could well be used ON THE ROAD. The manufacturers and FIA are keen to promote new technologies that are directly and obviously useful on the road. An F1 V8 2.4 pushing out 750Bhp+ isn't, unfortunately , going to give us anything useful on the road. I would have loved to see them push for composite engines but under the current rules they can't. But the rest will be pretty cool...and of real benefit to us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I was about to post about how F1 technology should be helping advance the engines in everyday cars..... but I never thought of it like that Alex. Makes a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 They've been limiting the performance of F1 cars for a long time anyway. Regenerative energy technology should be welcomed, I think some buses already use this. The energy wasted by a vehicle having to stop and then speed up again repeatedly is obviously the main reason why fuel economy is poor. I wonder how they'll work this though, will there be a rush to do as much development as possible before this ten year period begins if they are allowed to keep which ever engine they have in use at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Trains use it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Did anyone spot the bit that said '..except Ferrari'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I wonder how they'll work this though, will there be a rush to do as much development as possible before this ten year period begins if they are allowed to keep which ever engine they have in use at the time? I don't think the idea is that each team has to stick with the exact engine technology they have at the time of the freeze - it's just that no NEW, unagreed technologys can be introduced. The idea is that the teams that are behind will have time to catch up to the technological leaders - they will still be allowed to implement technologys that the other (top) teams already use. It's a mechanism for attempting to level the playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2 MSW Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 but the lower teams use the same engines as the top teams they are all customer engines now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Not true. The lower teams tend to use the top teams old engine designs (usually 1-2 years behind, I think?). Not the same engines. With this new limitation in place, the top teams old engines will not be as different to the new ones as they are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2 MSW Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 sorry but I dont think thats correct, now the engines have gone through a homologisation process they are of a similar spec! Its also simply not possible, V8's were introduced in 06 and tuned through the year. The manufactures had to submit the degined for the Engine for the 2007 season in Dec 06 so there were not the previous revisions of the engine to sell to other teams. The below is intresting - I never realised they could change as much as they can year on year. http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport/2006/March/270306-01.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I don't think the idea is that each team has to stick with the exact engine technology they have at the time of the freeze - it's just that no NEW, unagreed technologys can be introduced. The idea is that the teams that are behind will have time to catch up to the technological leaders - they will still be allowed to implement technologys that the other (top) teams already use. It's a mechanism for attempting to level the playing field. I agree, that's the intention. Aside from the question of whether F1 should have ANY technology bans, they'd have been better having a control aerodynamics package, as that is where the smaller teams are unable to compete with the bigger. personally I'd like to see another top level formula, where any wheel driven propulsion is allowed, and aerodynamic package, and any electronics. You'd maybe see turbos, rotaries, superchargers, moving aero packages, ground effects, different fuels blah blah. To level the costs the cars would not run sponsorship decals, and there'd be no TV coverage, those that built and ran cars would do it for the hell of it, and to see them you'd have to get off your backside and go to where they ran. it'll obviously neve happen, but F1 is too precious these days, with poor racing and I honestly believe the TV audiences are getting fed up with it, as it stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Energy regeneration is already banned. Mercedes already had a system ready to run in 2003. Other teams that have systems complete or near completion are BMW, Renault, Toyota & Honda. So can anyone spot why the system was banned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daston Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I agree, that's the intention. Aside from the question of whether F1 should have ANY technology bans, they'd have been better having a control aerodynamics package, as that is where the smaller teams are unable to compete with the bigger. personally I'd like to see another top level formula, where any wheel driven propulsion is allowed, and aerodynamic package, and any electronics. You'd maybe see turbos, rotaries, superchargers, moving aero packages, ground effects, different fuels blah blah. To level the costs the cars would not run sponsorship decals, and there'd be no TV coverage, those that built and ran cars would do it for the hell of it, and to see them you'd have to get off your backside and go to where they ran. it'll obviously neve happen, but F1 is too precious these days, with poor racing and I honestly believe the TV audiences are getting fed up with it, as it stands. too right Chris cant agree with you more! I ended up watching the goodwood revival races last weekend and that was some of the best racing I have seen on the TV in a long long time. All F1 seems to be is 2 weeks of politicts followed by a drivers persesion every other weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Formula Zero is interesting at the moment, pushing Green technologies. The engine ban will mean as said above that technology will be pushed to other areas to gain a competitive advantage. I was watching a show on BBC World in Xian this week on how they'll use energy from the brakes to store extra power which could be unleashed on the press of a button, giving a new type of driving tactic too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 they'll use energy from the brakes to store extra power which could be unleashed on the press of a button, giving a new type of driving tactic too. Like a boost button from a video game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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