mplavery Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 That's odd, cos Thor don't measure at the wheels. Thor measure the power at the hubs and are well known to give much higher readings than any of the seriously-taken dynos. sorry yes your correct at the hubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Ah, but what connects to the hubs? (the wheels!) Adding the obligatory VAT we now reach a figure the punter is happy with:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymdee Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 FWIW, I ran 13.25 at Pod (110 mph) at 1.05 Bar and was RR's at the Surrey day at 322 at the wheels. Don't care what that converts into 'at the fly' as I know the car is quite quick from the SupraPod day, where I as getting better times than some of the cars running 1.2Bar boost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 If you want a genuine 400 to 450 BHP at the flywheel you will need to bin the sequentials and spend some serious money, nitrous, or grenade like modifications apart. I disagree. It has been done before, and can be done again. I'd even put it on an engine dyno if your paying... Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yoshi_v300 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 I'll 2nd that. I've seen dyno sheets from CLUB ARISTO in Japan where they did a RR with some standard turbo Aristos/2JZ-GTE engines...at 1.1bar they seemed to make about 400hp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 400rwhp is going to be pushing the TT setup to the absolute limit, you'd need a good set of hybrids to get anywhere near it. My car with stock turbo's reached 360rwhp, this was with 11.9 AFR's, 1.25bar boost The most power hybrid car I know of is Grahamc's (well at least last been done at a dyno with comparable results). Graham has 380rwhp at 1.4bar and a *proper* map. My T67 makes 460rwhp at 1.4bar, so it gives you some idea where you need to head to get over 400 at the wheels Edited - unless you mean at the flywheel?? Then it's possible with the stock setup. cheers homer yeah, my car ran 451bhp (flywheel) at Surrey Rolling Road (rather reputable). The map is not 100%, RyanG is booked for this weekend do clean up the fueling and add some LINK features like launch control, traction control, etc My list of mods: FMIC HKS Fuel system - 680cc injectors, walbro fuelpump HKS Cams - 264/264 Induction Exhaust full decat Hybrid turbos LINK ecu Also keep in mind that my car had a bottom end build as well, including new rings, seals and gaskets. If you want a genuine 400 to 450 BHP at the flywheel you will need to bin the sequentials and spend some serious money, nitrous, or grenade like modifications apart. Sorry Chris, but I am going to have to disagree with you on this one, my car has done it. Dyno graphs have been posted. its just a thought at the moment i wanted to know for next summer, the plan is for winter, while its off road im going to be working on the wheels, brake's, coil overs, body work, window tints,head lights, interior dash think carbon and crome rings, and leathering the seats. then probs saving up for the summer, once thats all well and good.. well paid for, i will start looking at the engine and seeing were to spend next, as said im not aiming to high on HP however ever time i meet people with supras i get more insipration... its just spend spend but i dont think i will be chaning cars soon! bin the standard seats, they weigh a ton, get buckets and harnesses!! I disagree. It has been done before, and can be done again. I'd even put it on an engine dyno if your paying... Gaz. I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmx1lew Posted September 19, 2007 Author Share Posted September 19, 2007 maybe some bride's and some takata ? but too expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 So what rolling road do we trust then for power figures....? Surrey ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 So what rolling road do we trust then for power figures....? Surrey ? Yep. It's a good baseline as so many Supra's of various spec have been dyno'd there. The figures provided have always consistent and inline with expectation - the times when figures have been low there's always been a problem, likewise, when figures were getting higher than expected, they were running lean (runs were aborted). They can also overlay your run against any other supra they've had, provided you know the reg plate.. it's proved 'interesting' to say the least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 I disagree. It has been done before, and can be done again. I'd even put it on an engine dyno if your paying... Gaz. What mods would achieve that Gaz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 What mods would achieve that Gaz? Fuel system - HKS 680cc, HKS fuel rail and walbro pump Exhaust Induction FMIC LINK ECU Hybrids all that = 451bhpp at the fly for me, at Surrey Rolling Road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmx1lew Posted September 20, 2007 Author Share Posted September 20, 2007 nice and wont cost a bomb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 What mods would achieve that Gaz? I would be interested to know that? without running 1.4 bar on std or hybrids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 I would be interested to know that? without running 1.4 bar on std or hybrids. But Hybrids are good for 1.4bar, so why wouldnt you run them at that boost, thats like having a 200mph car and never taking it above 30mph..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 But Hybrids are good for 1.4bar, so why wouldn't you run them at that boost, thats like having a 200mph car and never taking it above 30mph..... This is the original posts that I'm referring to. Quote: Originally Posted by Chris Wilson If you want a genuine 400 to 450 BHP at the flywheel you will need to bin the sequentials and spend some serious money, nitrous, or grenade like modifications apart. I disagree. It has been done before, and can be done again. I'd even put it on an engine dyno if your paying... Gaz. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by Chris Wilson What mods would achieve that Gaz? So i asked how 400 BHP or more can achieved, without running 1.4 bar on std turbos (which is well out of there efficiency ) or running 1,4 bar on hybrids. i didn't suggest that you wouldn't:rolleyes: Dose that make sense to you now i have explained it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Ok, easy tiger.......... [/smouldering arse mode on] I feel like I have just been shot down in flames...... [/smouldering arse mode off] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 What mods would achieve that Gaz? I would be interested to know that? without running 1.4 bar on std or hybrids. 550's or 650cc, uprated pump (as a minimum) HKS 256 or 264 cams (important) Greddy EMU Hybrids FMIC 3" Envy de-cat, good quality exhaust. Most importantly - a good condition engine. I've seen a manual Supra run 440 @ 1.2 bar and 474 at 1.4 bar. Regards, Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 550's or 650cc, uprated pump (as a minimum) HKS 256 or 264 cams (important) Greddy EMU Hybrids FMIC 3" Envy de-cat, good quality exhaust. Most importantly - a good condition engine. I've seen a manual Supra run 440 @ 1.2 bar and 474 at 1.4 bar. Regards, Gaz. 474 Whos car?? What mods exactly?? PM me if need be... I want more power out of my car, so very interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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