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Mines at the wheels, not at the flywheel. Im not sure what % the A/T mission losses are, but guess 20-25%, so guestimate flywheel figure would be around 385bhp. Figures will also vary from dyno to dyno :)

 

But thats back in the prehistoric days of BPU, now I run a phat single and make much more power, enough make you not want to care what the figures are- its too fast anyway :)

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Mines at the wheels, not at the flywheel. Im not sure what % the A/T mission losses are, but guess 20-25%, ..

 

So according to this logic, a run-of-the-mill TT which here makes 400 "at the flywheel" actually consumes 100bhp in transmission losses, right?

Do you know how many KWs that is? If that were the case, then after a few minutes of full-throttle operation the amount of heat buildup would be enormous. And that is just transmission heat, quite separate to engine heat.

 

(hint: maybe the transmission losses are a bit lower than that)

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I agree with John on the losses bit, 20-25% seems extremely large. I've never had mine on a dyno as they seem to vary massively and unless you are comparing similar vehicles on the same dyno in the same session and only looking at comparing measured torque figures, I'm not sure what the point is. Obviously if you're tuning a car and making tweaks and want to see the effect, then there's a valid reason.

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380 @ the wheels on stock turbos is amazing, with hybrids (400 @ the wheels is fantastic). I dont think ANYONE has managed that before, certainly not on this forum anyway.

 

Your car must be special./.

 

check my sig. -black car on hybrids

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380 @ the wheels on stock turbos is amazing, with hybrids (400 @ the wheels is fantastic). I dont think ANYONE has managed that before, certainly not on this forum anyway.

 

Your car must be special./.

 

Thanks for your kind (maybe slightly sarcastic?) words Imi :)

 

To be honest mate, like Chris said, I don't really trust the printout, or the previous owner! However, it was dyno'd by Engine Advantages in April iirc and did show 380 at the wheels. However, not sure if this is an inflated figure! I don't know what else has been done to the car either really. The below in my sig I'm sure of though.

 

I'll scan the printout tomoz for everyone to have a looksie as on the lash tonight ;)

 

Cheers,

 

Greg

 

PS: Rich - so you hit over 400rwhp on Hyrbids? Set up?

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Sheefa,

 

I wouldn't take any bhp comments very seriously, we all laugh at them and poke holes and have fun in general.

It's the internet after all.

 

If a car does a 10sec run, that's proof of power.

If it struggles to do 13s, no RR printout can save the day.:)

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When I dynoed mine at the http://www.japworcs.co.uk RR day a few months ago it made 418bhp at the fly (the printout is in my garage). On the same day Petes BPU VVTi made 365 fwhp and Burnas stock uk spec made 301. I think those figures are pretty accurate, but would be interested to hear what CW thinks as he knows Petes car better than most.

Also Chris, there was several runs on BPU cars with stock 440cc injectors and no fuel pressure mods, and they all ran quite rich (between 10:1 - 11:1 AFR). I know the injectors are fully open at that point so some fine fuelling control is lost, but wouldn't fitting bigger injectors make this worse unless the fuelling is trimmed back below stock using an SAFC or similar fuel controller?

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Thanks for your kind (maybe slightly sarcastic?) words Imi :)

 

Greg, forget about flywheel figures cause those are only estimations.

 

Whats important is RWHP figures and to use the SAME Dyno time and time again (if you make changes to the setup and want to measure the difference as TLicense pointed out).

 

In any case, 380RWHP is extremely impressive from standard injectors let alone hybrid turbos....

 

Now if you tell me that Rich is pushing 473 RWHP off hybrids on standard injectors....then I will say :rlol: to that.

 

At the end of the day, if the plot brings a smile to your face and make you look all butch in front of your mates...then I say that its £40 well spent :)

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as follows some of the cars bhp at engine advantages

name, car, guesstimate, actual bhp at flywheel.

 

Darryl (me) - S13 - 280 - 300.1

 

Andy083 - S13 - 250 - 302.4

 

Craig - R32GTR - 340 - 342

 

Ronnie - R32GTR - 500 - 471

 

Gary - GTS-T - 270 - 287

 

Clive - Viper - 475 - 454 ( Couldn't stop wheel spin, even at 160 mph)

 

Ben - Golf - 150 -154

 

Carl - M3 - 311 - 319

 

Duane - Supra N/A - 230 - 227

 

Steve - Supra TT - 330 - 357

 

Jo - SupraTT - 330 - 232 Turbo Problems second turbo not coming in

 

Matt - Type R - 210 - 219.9

 

Jason - STi Prodrive - 320 - 300.8

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RHHP, and who said that was stock injectors? It may not have been.

 

What's RHHP?

 

He never said that it was running on different injectors & neither did Greg.. (listed every other mod apart from injectors)....so go figure. ;)

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Not this one again.....

 

Any dyno (and I mean any - Engine or Chassis) is a relative measurement tool.

Take a measurement, make a change, take another measurement and see what the difference is.

 

Agreed. Ideal for mapping and trying out mod's.

 

 

If a car does a 10sec run, that's proof of power.

If it struggles to do 13s, no RR printout can save the day.:)

 

Can't eally agree with this though. There's more to a poor time than just lack of power. Any goon can get a poor time, even with big hp.

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Rear Hub Horsepower.

 

As measured by Dynapack dyno's that bolt to the hubs so eliminating losses through wheels/tyres/traction. i.e. RHHP will be higher than RWHP but you've still got some drivetrain losses.

 

Got you - would that be the same as an engine dyno?

 

If so, then hardly any use as in real life situations what matters is how much one is pushing to the tarmac....hence RWHP being more relevant compared to the two, right?

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