mikeyb10supra Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Arnouts single turbo manifold I have been looking at these are they worth the money then? how well are they made compared to other brands? Assuming early manual J-Spec (I wouldn't contemplate a single on an auto or Tiptronic, period...) Chris mine is an Auto Early J-Spec Model.....just out of curiosity, why would you not consider it? how about with a higher stall and built transmission?? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Fancy buying the 2 cast manis I've got of me CW. Collecting dust now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Fancy buying the 2 cast manis I've got of me CW. Collecting dust now Not unless they fit Skylines! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I have been looking at these are they worth the money then? how well are they made compared to other brands? Chris mine is an Auto Early J-Spec Model.....just out of curiosity, why would you not consider it? how about with a higher stall and built transmission?? Mike They shouldn't crack, which is the bugbear of tubular ones if used in serious anger for long periods. To make a proper tubular one would be very expensive, not many people would consider the outlay. A cast iron one may not be as efficient as a tubular one, but will be a lot less hassle. I think they are excellent value for money. The auto box is ecu controlled and expects peak torque at a much lower RPM than you will see off a single that gives a worthwhile power increase over the stock sequentials. It will therefore never change gear at the right times, and with the right amount of slippage. You may be able to convert to a manaula valve block, Syed Shah knows something of this. I don't get involved with auto boxes, so I am not up to speed with some of US made gizmos. How people can even entertain a high stall speed convertor in a road car I don't know. They were never designed for this, watch your transmission oil temps rocket and your economy plummet, apart from being awful to drive (IMO). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I dunno come over here poluting the air with Skylines Tut Tut. And there I thought I could get rid of these cast manis to a man that apreciates good parts for a supra:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb10supra Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 They shouldn't crack, which is the bugbear of tubular ones if used in serious anger for long periods. To make a proper tubular one would be very expensive, not many people would consider the outlay. A cast iron one may not be as efficient as a tubular one, but will be a lot less hassle. I think they are excellent value for money. The auto box is ecu controlled and expects peak torque at a much lower RPM than you will see off a single that gives a worthwhile power increase over the stock sequentials. It will therefore never change gear at the right times, and with the right amount of slippage. You may be able to convert to a manaula valve block, Syed Shah knows something of this. I don't get involved with auto boxes, so I am not up to speed with some of US made gizmos. How people can even entertain a high stall speed convertor in a road car I don't know. They were never designed for this, watch your transmission oil temps rocket and your economy plummet, apart from being awful to drive (IMO). so in other words buy a manual from the off or change the auto box out for a manual 6-speed box, then go single?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Sadly they aren't shiney, in a nice pretty box, from a known name like Greddy or HKS, with promises of vast performance gains, and immediate kudos with the "ladies", so the one that's already here is hanging fire. More sadly is the fact that they are almost certainly PRECISELY what people need....Try making a warranty claim on a cracked Blitz or HKS tubular manifold. "For racing use only, no warranty", may (will??) be the reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Anyone would think that you generaly dont like the average supra owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 so in other words buy a manual from the off or change the auto box out for a manual 6-speed box, then go single?? Wait 12 months and steal one for a few quid from someone who is fed up with the lack of reliabilty, fuel economy and insurance issues that some will undoubtebly suffer from It's always cheaper to buy one someone's fed up with than doing your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Fancy buying the 2 cast manis I've got of me CW. Collecting dust now Oi - no gratuitous advertising on a techie thread I have someone interested in one - will ask them to contact you direct Mig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 The BL ones are warrantied for 3 years which is pretty darn fair IMO but I don't know of any claims yet, which is sort of good (no news is good news and all that), but that also means we don't know how well the warranty is backed up I know a lot of people running singles on autos. How long they last = ball of string I guess but there isn't a raft of failures yet. Drivability is a personal thing, I myself don't even like the autobox in the first place -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Oi - no gratuitous advertising on a techie thread I have someone interested in one - will ask them to contact you direct Mig Its in supra chat not tech anyway. Muchas gracias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Anyone would think that you generaly dont like the average supra owner Me? Most of the ones I meet are great people, some are not, same with Citroen owners, cat lovers, fishermen, and window cleaners, blah blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 The BL ones are warrantied for 3 years which is pretty darn fair IMO but I don't know of any claims yet, which is sort of good (no news is good news and all that), but that also means we don't know how well the warranty is backed up I know a lot of people running singles on autos. How long they last = ball of string I guess but there isn't a raft of failures yet. Drivability is a personal thing, I myself don't even like the autobox in the first place -Ian Have to agree, on both accounts, neither has been proven, and there are a lot of both that have been driving around for a few years now. Chris is becoming the prophet of doom though. On the subject of uprgrades, have you done any tests on your SMIC yet Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 On a roll today Mr Wilson... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 The BL ones are warrantied for 3 years which is pretty darn fair IMO but I don't know of any claims yet, which is sort of good (no news is good news and all that), but that also means we don't know how well the warranty is backed up I know a lot of people running singles on autos. How long they last = ball of string I guess but there isn't a raft of failures yet. Drivability is a personal thing, I myself don't even like the autobox in the first place -Ian Not saying the boxes won't last (although it's a fact a higher stall speed convertor will raise oil temps significantly), just saying that the auto box ecu isn't savvy about the power and torque curves of the average single conversion, so drivability will no longer be optimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Sun stroke anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Me? Most of the ones I meet are great people, some are not, same with Citroen owners, cat lovers, fishermen, and window cleaners, blah blah. Your posts of late seem to be very sweeping. Cheer up man ..why the negatives all the time, Go read some porn or something, and that does not include race car mag. Life is full of different people, no need to make them all hang themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Yeah, is it your time of the month or something? C'mon, the sun is shining, fit an oil cooler to your head and chill -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Have to agree, on both accounts, neither has been proven, and there are a lot of both that have been driving around for a few years now. Chris is becoming the prophet of doom though. On the subject of uprgrades, have you done any tests on your SMIC yet Chris. I am a pessimist! But I am probably wrong and cheap tubular turbo manifolds are fantastic! I'll post up a pic of a Blitz single turbo manifold that has arrived today, low mileage, expensive, after 4 repairs snotted on by various "welders" he's give up on it. Where's the turbo support bracketry? Where's any expansion capability? What supports the vey heavy wastegate swinging out in the breeze? Why has it cracked 4 times? My SMIC's: I haven't done any tests worth much, and won't be doing. The last batch arrived today, 3 of the 4 are sold, so I'm unlikely to spend about 5K having proper testing done, it's just not financial sense. I think I am getting old and cantankerous, sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Not saying the boxes won't last (although it's a fact a higher stall speed convertor will raise oil temps significantly), just saying that the auto box ecu isn't savvy about the power and torque curves of the average single conversion, so drivability will no longer be optimal. You do Know that the box shifts are dependant on TPS, Load ,and speed signal and that its not hard written into the ECU. The only things thats is written into it is speed brackets of change other than that it is adaptive ( learning). So they respond to a single quite nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Yeah, is it your time of the month or something? C'mon, the sun is shining, fit an oil cooler to your head and chill -Ian New thread...No longer loaf of bread on the head ...its oil cooler on the head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 The BL manifold hasn't got any turbo support bracketry, which does tickle my mechanical sympathy bone a bit, but it has got a flex downpipe and ovalled flange stud holes for expansion. The flanges are about 10mm thick as well, with big ass welds. I keep inspecting mine and there is no visible or audible problems as yet, and it's been a couple of years Perhaps this one is simply made of sterner stuff? If you've got a piccy of the blitz one that's a wreck, I've got piccies of the BL one for comparison... In fact here they are, 2 years down the line.... Also note position of EGT probe -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Wanna see my brace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Wanna see my brace Is that the one you got from "Whips & Chains" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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