lambertpig Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 can anybody explain why fitting bilstein sport dampers has actually raised the rear suspension on my supra one side slightly more than the other? about 15 mm more. the front is now slightly lower.told garage and they removed and refitted them after ensuring they were identical shocks still the same.are they missing something?.car was already fitted with eibach springs and still is shocks were done one at a time so are in same place as before .car does seem to handle but i dont feel it is right Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Have you had a full wheel alignment after changing the shocks, and have you checked tyre pressures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambertpig Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 havent had wheels realigned yet and im checking tyres right now but can this have made that much difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Probably not but it might help with the way the car feels when you are driving it. Are you physically measuring the ride height at each corner or are you visually just looking ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambertpig Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 yes nearside rear is approx 15 mm higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weinelm Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Exactly the same thing happened to me! It turned out that the spring seat on one of the shocks was upside down. I had to send it back to Bilstein to get it turned around. See pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Weinelm's experience could be your problem too. BTW the car won't "handle" on 19's 18's are really pushing it, if you want a car that car really handle well on the limit get 17" rims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambertpig Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 hope this spring seat is the cure for the rear ride hight issue. anybody any ideas about the front end lowering thing anybody got 19"wheels with eibach bilsteins that crash the arches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weinelm Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I've had both Eibach and standard springs with Bilstein shocks. I found that the Bilsteins did lower the front of the car, when compared with stock dampers : http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=54765 As the Eibach springs lower the car at the front too, I found the front did drop more than I wanted. I also found that lift-over oversteer was increased with this combination - I didn't like it much! (Although Eibachs give an acceptable ride and don't roll much, which is nice). The car is pretty much level with stock springs and Bilstein shocks. This is how I've currently got it and the handling seems more predictable. I understand that a stock supra should sit rear down, so I wonder whether somehow I've got the wrong sort of Bilsteins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I'm on 18"s and on full lock uphill they can catch the arch liner. It all depends on your offsets and wheel width more than the wheel diameter really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 On stock 17's with Eibach's and Bilsteins the front wheels also catch the liner on more than 50% lock, although they do it less than the RSR springs I had on before (they were much lower). They are not close to catching the metal of the wing though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Exactly the same thing happened to me! It turned out that the spring seat on one of the shocks was upside down. I had to send it back to Bilstein to get it turned around. See pic. No, they come with the spring seats and top hat washers in a plastic bag, together with the bump stop seats, so someone has fitted the seat upside down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambertpig Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 thanks to all look like you have found my prob even though garage didnt after removing them and refitting them. will be staight down in morning hoping i have not damaged anything in the 50 miles or so today(pretty hard miles).do you reckon it will cure the front end rubbing, too low prob ,it must help. thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weinelm Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 No, they come with the spring seats and top hat washers in a plastic bag, together with the bump stop seats, so someone has fitted the seat upside down! Yep, that's the case. Long story... A garage screwed it up, but I had to send it back to Bilstein to get it fixed! The shaft also got damaged by the side load caused by the spring being sat wrong. I do this stuff myself now! Btw Chris, did you get my email? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith C Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 On stock 17's with Eibach's and Bilsteins the front wheels also catch the liner on more than 50% lock No they don't - at least, not on my car they didn't. They don't catch with the Lexus 18's either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 (edited) No they don't - at least, not on my car they didn't. They don't catch with the Lexus 18's either. They shouldn't Edited July 3, 2008 by colsoop (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambertpig Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 just been back to garage car on ramp spring seats correct way round.although it looks like front offside shock is leaking now what chris w rekons this will not effect ride hight but this seems like only thing left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I know it shouldnt, but I have found this on different dampers. It would be to do with the strength of the damper at teh end of the day. Example. Koni's sit high where KYB's do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambertpig Posted January 26, 2006 Author Share Posted January 26, 2006 great. got the car back witn new bilstein fitted. what a difference!! ride is now hard but perfectly acceptable for street did a 20 mile thrash on dry but cold roads and could not get the archeds to rub. ride hight at front has been lifted and rear has balanced. i know handling is not perfect as i am running 19"s and am a bit low but its good for a novice like me who loves the look of the set up and spends a lot of time in town anyway. have measured the ground to arch gap and there seems to be between 2-8mm diffence between wheels but i put this down to the wear of each spring(prehaps a wheel alighnment would help?) anyway this is not really visible to the eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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