Nic Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 You've broken it already Where did you wire it in, before or after the EMU? Good luck for Thursday, I'll be crossing everything! ps. I've still have a couple of the injector adpaters here if anyone else needs one, I also have a brand new Emanage Ultimate looking for a home for Christmas at a special price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 I t'd into the injector wires on the fields harness between the stock ECU and the point where the wires are cut to go off to the Ultimate. I'll get a photo of my fields harness tonight and annotate it, it's got so much stuff on it it's getting hard to lift now lol -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Fields harness pic attached. Not as scary as it looks, honest EMU trials tonight were "interesting". I appear to be datalogging the right duty cycle and the right durations for an idle but I had to pull a bit more airflow signal out to get it into closed loop and I had to use the water temp correction map to make it cold start properly by taking out 20% duty up to about 40degC... Bizarrely the fricker idles at 1000rpm even when warm, even though the datalogs compare almost exactly to the Blue E-Manage ones which idled at 750rpm. Same manifold vacuum, same duty cycles, higher rpm It could be because I had to take power off the stock ECU to fit it, effectively resetting the ECU, and it's self learning again but with the Blue this was a simple matter of revving it three times or so. It's also rougher. It idles rougher and when revved up it's a bit iffy and when held at 2500rpm it seems rough. Again, may be a combination of the cold weather and the ECU reset but I'm not jumping for joy just yet. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Felt quite sick looking at that, SO glad you're doing mine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 I'm dissapointed to see there's no 2.5mm twin & earth to go with the terminal strip! Seriously though, I've got faith in you, I'm sure you'll crack it soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Well, the real hindrance at the mo is that I have nothing to compare it against so I'll bung the Blue back in tomorrow evening and datalog it from cold to warm and some throttle blips as well, and sustaining revs, from this I'll have something to compare against. I'm still not even sure if the addon adapter thing has made a difference. I think it must have because I recall not even being able to start the bastard without it because it ran so rich, even with -50% airflow it was troublesome. Now it'll start and run but lumpy because it's 9:1 afrs unless I pull 20% duty. Hm. I don't care overly if I have to remap more than I thought I would, but first I want to know WHY it behaves differently, otherwise I'm shooting in the dark. I also want to know why it feels rougher... -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Well, the cold start overfuels massively still And I can't explain why the warm idle runs at 1000rpm instead of 700rpm. Plonked the Blue back in and everything is as peachy as it always was. No idea what's going on but that injector adapter doesn't seem to have changed a thing.... More news as and when. -Ian Edit - the wierd thing is, is on the datalogs it's the *stock duty cycle* that is too high. Like, twice as high. So why would the stock ECU double the duty just because the EMu is in instead of the EMB? Also why would it run rougher at warm idle when the duty cycles are the same?! And on top of that, why would the EMU run at 1000rpm when it's got no control over the idle? Madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Ian just wondering if it would be worth trying the ignition adapter adapter spliced in AFTER the EMU instead of before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Chipmunk (George) should be getting his mapped at the moment by someone. It could be worth getting a copy of his map to study perhaps, if all is well? I have a spare full EMU setup here, at this rate I may say b*ll*x to it and get it fitted on mine by my guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 I'm up for any ideas at the moment. Even being able to compare behaviour to another unit would be useful. I've got some test ideas but it's below zero outside and I need the car over them xmas period so I can't really do much - which is incredibly annoying because it's bugging me. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terawua Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 This is what I love about this place.... watch in wonder at you guys nutting out a problem, then once all sorted I can decide if its a goer for mine.... thanks in advance Ian BTW! p.s. Charlie, I might have to blag a test ride in yours sometime after its done.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 This is what I love about this place.... watch in wonder at you guys nutting out a problem, then once all sorted I can decide if its a goer for mine.... thanks in advance Ian BTW! p.s. Charlie, I might have to blag a test ride in yours sometime after its done.... Anytime Doc! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Well terawua you'll be pleased to hear I lasted all of 1.5 hours before getting pissed off enough to have another stab at it, and I found that: a) I'd pulled too much fuel in the water temp correction map, causing the engine to race b) you need the latest firmware, v1.09 Then everything........ works In fact thanks to the water correction map my cold start is now pretty much stock. Fantastic! I can't test jack all else though as it's snowed here lol. I need a clear bit of time on decent roads to check the fuelling and the timing, but suffice to say it starts, warms up, idles, revs up and holds just as smooth as the E-Manage Blue did. Better in some respects now. Happy bunny -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Think you need that trip down South soon, (working in T-shirt today!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Well done Ian! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terawua Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Seeing as you are smiling now Ian (nice one btw) , just wondered - I really wanted to get the ultimate as you can do everything the blue did, plus raising the rev limit - will you be doing this (have you already done it?) and what would you raise it to if at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terawua Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Anytime Doc! RESULT! p.s. Charlie.. I am now living in Henley, so a quick trip along the a33, then M3 woudl see me there in not too long... see you sometime then! James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Seeing as you are smiling now Ian (nice one btw) , just wondered - I really wanted to get the ultimate as you can do everything the blue did, plus raising the rev limit - will you be doing this (have you already done it?) and what would you raise it to if at all? I haven't tried an upped rev limit a) parked in the garage or b) in the snow, no But once I've verified that the map translated across from the Blue works OK then it's one of the two main things I want to play with. I'm only gonna go from 6800 to 7200 as the VVTi's run up to 7200rpm as stock with no visible internal differences according to those who've pulled the engines apart. It's *not* as simple as dialling in a new upper rev limit, there is some serious datalogging to be done beforehand in order to set it up, but if it works then this is going to be a real USP for the E-Manage Ultimate. No other piggyback that I know of can up the rev limit... The other fun thing is launch control, and no, I haven't tried that down my snow-infested driveway either -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terawua Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 if it works then this is going to be a real USP for the E-Manage Ultimate. No other piggyback that I know of can up the rev limit.. -Ian This is my point exactly.... I was always interested in the greddy setup, in terms of price and support and that rather nice looking greddy profec e-01, but the option to raise rev limits means I wont even entertain an aftermarket ECU - I cant see the need now... James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terawua Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Think you need that trip down South soon' date=' (working in T-shirt today!)[/quote'] Thats cos you have the largest garage in the world you could park 4 supras in there...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Ian, well done mate James, I have a nice shiney full EMU setup here looking for a home for Christmas ps. the E-01 is not compatible with the EMU yet I believe, hopefully GReddy will launch a new boost controller/controller that is very soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terawua Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 Nic, Sometimes I want to kill you! I dont repeat DONT have the cash, though you rightly surmise I do reeeeealy want one (along with a profec E-01) and a boostlogic T67 DBB turbo, and a fuel kit, and a TRD widebody, and some HRE wheels, and ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 the E-01 is not compatible with the EMU yet That's a shame. I was starting to get very interested in the Ultimate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 That's a shame. I was starting to get very interested in the Ultimate Bah the E01 isn't the be all and end all -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 Oooi, Get back out there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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