JohnA Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 ps you guys have better smilies! that's because we're happy people, not miserable gits ...plus the famous Toyota reliability gives us more time to spare selecting smilies, rather than fixing fried electrics and rubber bits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VG30DETT Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Both these cars are the top RWD Jap Sports cars available. The Supra does have the edge, with the redevelopment program Toyota had to go through, but its so close that it really comes down to which car you prefer. (I wont go into reasons why I choose one over the other, as I have no interest in dropping insults like many of the above posts.) I can't believe people think the Z is better looking than a Supra though!! It's like saying a Bugatti EB110 is better to look at than a DB9!!! Its all down to personal opinion. Most Supra owners probably prefer the Supra's looks, and most 300zx owners prefer the Zed looks. I dont have a problem with the way the Supra looks, I just prefer the overall look of a tidy 300zx. The Supra! Jim-supra's father has a 300ZX and we went out in it, dont get me wrong its fast, but by no means as much torque as the Soop - lets face it torque is where its at. Although the Supra is more powerfull and quicker (well it does run a higher Boost setting out of the box ), everywhere I have read or spoken to says it does'nt feel as quick as the 300zx or as involving to drive. I guess again, its all down to personal opinion. I used to like 300's until I compared them to the soop, next to a toyota, they are big fat bloat-wagons, with dials that would look more at home on a toaster. UK MkIV Supra TT weight - 1566kg (according to a search on this forum) 300zx SWB TT weight - 1548kg 300zx 2+2 TT Weight - 1585kg and if you park a Supra next to a 300zx, you'll find the Supra is the larger car. The Supra is higher and wider. (it looks longer too, but is strangely 9cm shorter than the 2+2 zed (but longer than the SWB Zed) Royal - though most Supra's are modded...we don't have to rebuild the blocks unless they are deffo damaged, and you have to do something very very wrong to damage them. I'd agree the Toyota block is bulletproof. Thats not to say the Zed is unreliably and fragile though. Both these cars put out standard power figures that everyday cars could never handle. There are abused/neglected examples out there that naturally give reliablity issues, but these are not the norm. They are more susceptable to overheating from waterleaks, becuase of the un-needed overenginnering Nissan did with runing Water pipes all over the engine, but these are easily bypassed, but other than that they have no general reliablity issues. 980RWHP on a stock block has been managed in the States what's the best you guys have managed on a stock block? Not arguing just stating that the 300ZX is more fragile, period. 600+ is common in the states for a zed with stock internals. No idea on maximum bhp ever acheived with stock internals though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolsius Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 My my, its a My cocks bigger than yours thread.lol I own both, and have found good and bad points to both and and other days, neither of them holds a candle to my blade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 ...300zx 2+2 TT Weight - 1585kg well yeah, you'd only compare the 2+2 with the supra, since it also is a 2+2. They're both heavy bastids, that's for sure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 600+ is common in the states for a zed with stock internals. No idea on maximum bhp ever acheived with stock internals though.IMHO a V6 is a far more difficult engine configuration to tune. They are usually wide enough to make it hard to put stuff like a decent exhaust system on each side in the engine bay but unless it is a 90 degree V then there is usually not enough room to put a decent induction system inside the V, and precious little room on top for one either. The biggest potential problem with a V6 stock bottom end is the crankshaft design. A V6 crank can be very flimsy, especially if you go for even firing intervals and staggered crankpins. ON the flipside going for a 7 bearing design makes then engine bulky. No idea about the 300Z's engine specifics, but there are far more compromises in the bottom end of a V6 than a straight 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 The zed's V6 is not too bad, you see that joke of a twin-turbo attempt on the GTO, the V6 engine is transverse and one turbo is squeezed between the cyl head and the firewall. Intake and exh temps on that bank go through the roof, assymetrical piece of crap --- no wonder they never run properly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toms Supra Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Didnt toyota help nissan with the 300zx coz toyota built the supra and nissan were like fcuk what we do now! so toyota helped develop some of it, im sure ive heard this somewhere i could be wrong i usually am! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Didnt toyota help nissan with the 300zx coz toyota built the supra and nissan were like fcuk what we do now! so toyota helped develop some of it, im sure ive heard this somewhere i could be wrong i usually am! Yes, you are very wrong. Toyota were due to launch the MKIV when Nissan launched the Zed. Mr. T said "Oh feck what do we do now" and went back to the drawing board and redesigned the MKIV. And as for helping, can you really see a major manufacturer helping another to launch a rival product? Helloooo!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toms Supra Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Thats it knew i was lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 ive had both, and both have been uk manual turbos. and IMO the supra is a far better car in pretty much every way, handling, acceleration, cornering, reliability, etc. the z was more comfortable and thats it. supra wins everytime in my eyes not that the z wasnt a good car, it was, the supra is just better thats all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 What about traction? Ever tried to negotiate a 400bhp zed? Gee...... The supra puts the power down more successfully (due to size perhaps) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supragold Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymanuk Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 FYI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Interesting how the supra loses the top speed award because they left it restricted. I guess advertising revenue from the other manufacturers is also important... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest majidnaeem Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Damnnnnnnnnnnnnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garetheves Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Pulled this one out of the depths didnt you?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Bleedin 'eck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_mcevoy Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Constructive addition as well..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiten55 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 bored are we?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 PMSL!!! Blast from the past anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 two years lag ain't bad, compared to some of the big singles here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 LOL - 4 posts in 2 months - and they're all useless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul mac Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 two years lag ain't bad, compared to some of the big singles here... PMSL, every now and again someone pops up with a years old thread i think there great, Damnnnnnnnnnnnnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Necrothreadophelia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_blackman Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 lol, wow old post but funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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