JohnA Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Yo, Mig, I tried to sign up to his forum but it don't like me Me is oogla or wot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 What's oogla then ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 not prettyyyyyyyyy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 9, 2005 Author Share Posted August 9, 2005 OK the Torque converter (TC) bolts up to the torque plate (TP) which is the small flywheel plate thingy you mention. If you undo these bolts that hold the TC to TP the engine will be disconected from the TC and you will be able, IF all is OK to turn the engine over by hand again, as efectively the TC is no longer holding it back if jamed, you will also be able to move the TC when its undone which will also give you an indicator if its that is jammed also( that is if its not pinned to the TP). IF the engine does not turn over by hand after this then you have just saved you hands from removing the box again and it leads to another problem . You will hate yourself if you pull the box and the engine is still jamed, Unlikely from the description but i would remove 6 bolts and see rather than the whole box . As this is 1/2 way to removeing the box anyway its a good indicator...as if it turns out to be the motor and something real simple then all you have to do is bang 6 bolts back in. The guys above have hit the nail on the head with the diagnosis ..but its always best to do these little reversal tests as it may just be some real real stupid Theres a full section of TSM manuals on http://vortex-power.co.uk/forum if that helps OK, cheers Pedro. So should I be able to easily get at the TC bolts through that little window with the engine in situ? From what I recall it sounds nigh on impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 sorry for the hijake Jack, eeeerm I've had quite some wine, I'm off now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Yup abosolutely be able to get to them bolts through there ..you can also get to them if you take the starter out and go in there also to do 2 at a time *Hijack mode on* PS. JohnA Theres no reason why you cant get on there ..should be register and go. * Hijack mode off* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 9, 2005 Author Share Posted August 9, 2005 Yeah? It didn't look possible earlier but I'll give it my best shot in the morning. Thanks mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Yeah? It didn't look possible earlier but I'll give it my best shot in the morning. Thanks mate. You will be fine ...if I can do it you can do it to ..jingle jingle..now where did i hear that from ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 The TC oil pump drive lugs (the cutaway section on the neck) need to engage with drives on the gearbox oil pump. It sounds as if you have forced the TC into the oil pump, and almost certainly done damage to the TC, the oil pump or worse. Reove the short bolts that bolt the flex plate to the TC (flexplate = flywheel). It should then be possible to push the TC rearwards using finger pressure to creat about a 1 cm gap between TC and flexplate. The TC should spin usng finger pressure and be able to be aligned or misaligned at will the the flex plate bolt holes. If the TC won't move back you have mashed it into the pump, and you need to remove the gearbox and TC and strip the pump out to examine it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I so wish I learnt english at school ..once again same thing better worded... Mr wilson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 9, 2005 Author Share Posted August 9, 2005 OK now I'm really confused. I've just been under the car to have a look and there no way on earth anyone could possibly undo the TC bolts with the engine and gearbox in place. Maybe you could get at one bolt at a time though the starter motor appeture but even then it would be a difficult task. There's only a 10mm gap between the back of the engine's sump the front of the rearmost front crossmember. And there's only about a 20mm gap between the rear of that cross member and the front of the gearbox bellhousing. I can't imagine any way that you could even get a 17mm socket and ratchet in there let alone see what the hell you are doing. Even if I remove the the gearbox I can't see how I'm going to get the TC off without pulling the engine again. What am I missing here? Several folks have said it's possible but I just can't see how it can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Jake, I swear on my life this is true....... YOU CAN DO IT ! It is a little tight, but with a short socket or drop ring you can get to the little critters through that hatch. (unless you have put the engine in back to front in which case you may have to remove the rad to get access) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 right then here goes ...the bottom inspection plate removed and you use a 17mm ring spanner and go one at a time ...you can also do it through the starter hole with a socket ....Trust me you do not have to remove the box or pull the lump to disconect the TC ..in fact you should actualy undo the TC and remove the box after ...and reversal for instaling ...this eliminates any possiblilities of getting the TC missalighed. Either I have been doing it wrong for the past 6 years or yours is a one off special The bolts that hold the TC are not majorly long hence they will come out no probs. I wish i could find pictures to make it easy for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 9, 2005 Author Share Posted August 9, 2005 Well I can't see how it's possible but I'll have a damn good go at it tomorrow if you guys reckon it can be done. Thanks everyone. I'll let you know how I get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Best of luck with it dude, altho I can't help you with it.... hope it is an easy fix... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 At it shall be done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 OR/and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 9, 2005 Author Share Posted August 9, 2005 the bottom inspection plate removed and you use a 17mm ring spanner and go one at a time ... When you say 'Inspection Plate' we are talking about that rubber plug thing at the bottom, right? I'm going to go and have another look at it. God know's what the neighbours think! EDIT : Ignore this post, I didn't see Mig's latest posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 ziz one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Part deux All on http://vortex-power.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=118 to save me C&P im wearing my mouse out here LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 9, 2005 Author Share Posted August 9, 2005 Part deux All on http://vortex-power.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=118 to save me C&P im wearing my mouse out here LOL Looks easy there. The gap I've actually got to work with is this : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 not left it in Drive have you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Yup thats right ..and you can also come in with some extension bars from the front of the Cross. Easy life Honestly it is the norm ....and its way easier to come in from the stater hole also. Relax as per B'have and Cwilson and me tou can do it ...stick that bing hand of yours in the fridge ..if not come and pick me up and ill do it for ya for nowt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 9, 2005 Author Share Posted August 9, 2005 not left it in Drive have you? ON the bloody drive. Looks like it'll be staying there for the foreseeable future too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Edited my last post Jake have a read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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