JohnK Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 As Ian said 100% throttle is easy to map, im just experiencing the part throttle mapping dilema, which can be harder on an auto as the box doesnt always change at the same revs. MANU does help but it needs to be right whereever the box decides to change and not leave a big lean whole. Also - Dont expect to run any more than 1.4 bar on 550's. At 1.4 bar at ~6300 revs (auto remember) duty is around 95%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Also - Dont expect to run any more than 1.4 bar on 550's. At 1.4 bar at ~6300 revs (auto remember) duty is around 95%. Yow, that's pushing it What AFRs you getting at 95% full bore high rpm? -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted June 3, 2005 Author Share Posted June 3, 2005 Back on topic - What i said about the AEM earlier goes for the E-manage too. Alex has been very fortunate to have had the help and skill of Ian to call on. I have no one close that wanted to touch the E-manage and had to go miles away to get it mapped (and even then it wasn't done properly)hence my change to a Motec. This is the problem we have in the UK. A lack of skills with mapping certain equipment. Is the motec supposed to be easier to tune than the AEM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Is the motec supposed to be easier to tune than the AEM? LOL - in a word no. but it would probably be the best option. But a layman couldn't just jump in and tune it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Is the motec supposed to be easier to tune than the AEM? To me, both systems would be as hard as each other as my mapping skils are zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 CJ, did you talk to Powerstation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 CJ' date=' did you talk to Powerstation?[/quote'] Not yet. The car is back at Owen today and they are going to look at the intercooler pipework and the issue at 7k rpm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Yow, that's pushing it What AFRs you getting at 95% full bore high rpm? Ian - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted June 3, 2005 Author Share Posted June 3, 2005 Ian - What sort of power is your car puttin out. Cuz when i go single i will probably be goin with the 550cc and BL61 as well. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 ~420 on wastegate boost - 1.1bar. Feels like a lot more at 1.4! Only run that on the track though and I dont wanna blow the auto box! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 I was very impressed with secondjumps setup, great idle, spool up and power delivery. I believe you worked on it Ian? Good job sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Ian - Oh yeah, so there is definitely room for improvement there Your duty cycle will go down to more reasonable levels as you pull back the fuelling, seeing as it's somewhere under 11.3. Bit more power as well Be interesting to see what the duty is around the 11.8's, see how those 550's perform. -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 I was very impressed with secondjumps setup, great idle, spool up and power delivery. I believe you worked on it Ian? Good job sir Thanks very much, I consider that quite a compliment -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Thanks very much, I consider that quite a compliment -Ian Then some LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondjump Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 I was very impressed with secondjumps setup, great idle, spool up and power delivery. I believe you worked on it Ian? Good job sir Three hours work on mapping the e-manage then three hours chatting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Hey, it worked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Three hours work on mapping the e-manage then three hours chatting Took about the same for my hybrids --- oooh, and we went to little chef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul mac Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Just tell your mapper to concentrate on the midrange and part throttle - you could map the 100% throttle in twenty minutes -Ian thanks for that Ian, excellent thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 A minor resurrection - rain stopped play at the weekend alas, but here are a couple of tasty datalogs I managed to get... As ever I'm tweaking the pesky 3500-4000 bit -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted June 5, 2005 Author Share Posted June 5, 2005 Looks pretty good Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul mac Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 bit of an old thread ressurection but to just clear up a few points i was questioned on, the car has now been set up by Thor with an ITC and SAFC running a T61 with UK spec cams, 550 injectors and some light head work, firstly the cost to map was £150 (this is why i went this route) secondly the A/F's at the change over point for the second turbo are a compromise between power and safety (safety being the operative word) thirdly the car made 510 rwhp @ 1.4 bar boost, 478 ft/lb of torque, off boost the car made 320 rwhp, so anyone thinking of going single and has'nt got a massive budget it can be done, without wishing to be contraversial would anyone with a simaler speck to my car care to post up there power figures (and cost to map) using a stand alone or e-manage so people going this route can have a balanced view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 I guess they'd need to also be power figures from Thor's Dynapack to have any meaning at all. Well done for getting her running nicely on a budget Paul. We don't all have pots of money to spend on ECUs and mapping time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul mac Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 We don't all have pots of money to spend on ECUs and mapping time. dont get me wrong Jake i wish i did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezabloke Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 bit of an old thread ressurection but to just clear up a few points i was questioned on, the car has now been set up by Thor with an ITC and SAFC running a T61 with UK spec cams, 550 injectors and some light head work, firstly the cost to map was £150 (this is why i went this route) secondly the A/F's at the change over point for the second turbo are a compromise between power and safety (safety being the operative word) thirdly the car made 510 rwhp @ 1.4 bar boost, 478 ft/lb of torque, off boost the car made 320 rwhp, so anyone thinking of going single and has'nt got a massive budget it can be done, without wishing to be contraversial would anyone with a simaler speck to my car care to post up there power figures (and cost to map) using a stand alone or e-manage so people going this route can have a balanced view Sounds good Paul. How is the car running now? Idle? Starting? are there any issues since you have taken this route? Is yours a UK spec with MAF sensor? sorry (edit) just seen JDM Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 I have plans on dyno'ing mine next week Mapping cost = £0 lol -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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